Thursday, November 4, 2021

Taxing carbon to save the planet

Tax carbon, then rebate the money. 


The idea is out there and we will be seeing more of it.

The idea is to get people to use less fossil fuel by making it more expensive, and then to rebate the money to everyone equally. Two birds with one stone: Save the planet and distribute money from rich energy users to the energy-thrifty poor.

It might backfire, It might damage the economy. People may hate it. Or it might work and save the planet.

Stodder
Economist Jim Stodder looks at arguments both for and against a carbon tax/rebate plan. He finds fault with three of them. He teaches international economics and securities regulation at Boston University, with recent research on how carbon taxes and rebates can be both income equalizing and green. He was a college classmate, then received a Ph.D. from Yale in economics. His website is: 


Guest Post by Jim Stodder

     "You will hear some bad arguments."


First, let’s hear from the Right:

Bad Argument Against:  A carbon tax/rebate plan is pointless because it will hurt us and China won't go along.

Carrots and sticks can make them. We do have to make this work because China pumps out about twice the CO2 emissions as the U.S. (10 billion vs 5 billion metric tons per year). They have about 4 times as many people, however, so China’s rate per-capita is half of ours (7.4 vs 14.8 metric tons).  


Per Capita Emissions

But they do deserve some carrots. “OK, you in the West got to loot and pollute the earth for 200 years to build up your wealth. We've just got started and now we have to pay the same tax rate as you?” That’s going to be the response of most of the world’s population. Good luck on getting them to think otherwise.

The good news is they can pay the same carbon tax and get a rebate. This is basic economics. As long as the rebate is based on something independent of their CO2 output--like an equal global per-capita rebate--then it has no effect on how much they pay per ton of CO2 this year. That tax still goes up with every extra ton. Plus, most educated Chinese recognize that heavy pollution is killing millions of their people. I have spoken with parents in Shanghai and Beijing who are worried sick about this.

But what if they won’t play along--what’s the stick? Yale’s William Nordhaus (an old teacher of mine) has the answer. The rich countries can put a unified tax on carbon and tax the imports of any country that won’t joint them. The EU has agreed to do this. If the other rich countries agree, that will make it in China’s and other countries' interest to tax themselves. That way the tax will do less harm to their GDP than having it all lumped onto their exports. You can see Nordhaus’s Nobel Prize lecture.

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/economic-sciences/2018/nordhaus/lecture/


Another Bad Argument Against: It's not fair to the U.S. working class because a carbon tax is regressive.

That’s correct, it would be – if there were no rebate. An energy tax is regressive, meaning lower income families pay a larger portion of their income. The “yellow vest” movement in France was based on this, and almost brought down President Macron’s government. “Macron worries about the end of the world,” they said. “We just worry about the end of the month!”

But the same argument for redistribution to poorer countries works for poorer families. The rich consume more energy per-capita, so an equal per-capita rebate winds up highly progressive, and makes low income households net winners. An economics prof at University of Massachusetts wrote a book on it: Boyce

What about our friends on the Left? They have been seduced by the following siren song.

Bad Argument For a carbon tax/rebate: The cost of renewable energy has plummeted, and green energy is more labor intensive. Therefore, the green transition will be a productivity revolution and raise everyone’s living standards.  

That first sentence is completely correct but – the second doesn’t follow, at least not on any time-scale that’s politically relevant. As political columnist Fareed Zakaria has pointedly argued, a Green Transition poses huge macroeconomic risks. A carbon tax high enough to be effective will mean most of that fossil fuel still in the ground has to stay there, forever. In energy-company speak, that means “stranded assets” – things we invested in yesterday for a high return but are just stuck with today.  

But it’s not just Big Energy that’s hurt by a carbon tax. (If only!) It’s all the companies that service it and its regions and all the people who’ve invested there.  

My pessimistic view on the Green Transition is still a minority position among most US economists. (See Paul Krugman’s optimistic take, for example.) But I have good company like Nobel Laureate Joseph Stiglitz. There is a way through, but let’s recognize the economic headwinds we’re facing.   

This summer I made a presentation at a conference to lay out the case that the U.S. will need massive stimulus expenditures to ease these necessary birth pains. My 15-minute talk is in “Panel I” (the third YouTube clip) and starts at 16 minutes and 20 seconds.  


We do have to do this. I think we can ultimately get most conservatives on board when they recognize our duty to conserve the earth for future generations--an ethical and spiritual duty. But we won’t do that with the cop-out Right pessimism about why it’s all (#1) hopeless or (#2) so unfair. And we won’t make it easier by a comfy Left optimism that it’s going to be (#3) just a nice walk on a sunny day.

 

15 comments:

Mike said...

If we fail to address climate change in any meaningful way, it will show how much we hate our children.

Unfortunately we are held back by the Insurrection Party. If they believe in it at all, they think addressing the issue costs too much. In fact, not addressing has already cost us far more.

Rafael Tejada-Ingram said...

The cost of drastic action to address climate change is expensive. The cost of not addressing it drastically is infinitely more so, because if we fail to address climate change in a meaningful way really soon, we are dooming ourselves to a future of climate upheaval that will cost many trillions of dollars and millions of lives at best. At worst, we will be causing our own extinction. And unfortunately our current path is pointing in the extinction direction.

Without immediate drastic action there will be no humans around 100 years from now to be rightfully furious at us for not taking action when we could.

Let's not choose extinction.

jg said...

I'm not sure the oil industry isn't more at fault than you credit. If they had published what they knew since the 1980's, we hedonists may have made some different choices.

Rick Millward said...

Republican objections to climate change are cynically based on pandering to denial.

The carbon tax idea has persisted. Whether or not it will actually help is impossible to tell unless it's adopted worldwide. Half measures are likely to fail.

The US could set an example for the rest of the World to follow. The first step is conservation which requires acceptance of the problem, beginning with government. The issue demands a cabinet level "homeland security department" initiative that will bring it to the level of concern that is required for constructive action

Only about a quarter of Republicans actually believe climate change is a real and present danger, while the country overall is approaching 75% and growing. Because it's politically advantageous, Republicans ignore or minimize it which is frankly insane.

Mc said...

Republicans care about money and power. They don't care about the country or its people.

They certainly don't give a damn about children.

jg said...

Medicare has drastically lower overhead than private insurance. All government programs are not bloated and inefficient.

John F said...

The Earth will survive quit nicely whether with us or without us. We have a choice among many options. Some of the options presented may not allow the human race to continue. We are at a crossroad and we may not be evolved enough to chose. The time to act may even be too late. What will we do is the question before us?

Ed Cooper said...

I might consider Anonymous statement "it's a proven fact that if everybody died today" with slightly more interest if he were to cite some relevant authority backing up his assertion. And Tucker Carlson or his ilk don't count as relevant Authorities.

James Stodder said...

As a response to anonymous: We should tax CO2 emissions because their oversupply is harmful. Human excrement is necessary for life as well, and good for growing things. But we don't want it in our water supply, and pay people to make sure it winds up somewhere safe.

99% of economists, not just those from the ivy league, agree that some form of pollution tax is necessary to put a price on harmful emissions. That includes a good NJ State University graduate like the late Milton Friedman, the dean of conservative / libertarian US economists.

Markets are hugely important for human welfare, but they only work if goods and bads have prices on them.

Low Dudgeon said...

Question for Mr. Stodder, even if it's more about psychology than economics (maybe they overlap to some extent):

What about Xi Xinping?!

Because so much of the science on man-made climate change, and more importantly the efficacy of proposed ameliorative measures, is over my head, I look to what informed, powerful people do, rather than what they say.

Railing against Western conservatives on this subject is one thing. Let's just consign us to terminal obstructionist dumbassery for the sake of this argument. But what about the man who is dictator for life in China?

My understanding is that Xi himself is a man of science, with impressive degrees to show that. Chinese folks are every bit as concerned about the fate of their progeny as they are the honor of their ancestors.

So does Xi believe in this existential global crisis, or not? He doesn't act like it. He has the power to enact sweeping measures now, and the means to lead the world by selling ameliorative technology and gear.

If Xi, along with Biden, Macron, Putinm, etc. was told--and believed--that an asteroid would catastrophically buzz the Earth within 50-100 years, they would all invoke martial law to do whatever could be done.

So what gives with Xi?

James Stodder said...

I think the answer is pretty simple. He wants to maximize China's power as a means of maximizing his own. The way to do this is not to "bargain against yourself," as they say.

So he's not going to come to the table minus carrots and sticks to bring him there. Let him see what's on offer. And in the meanwhile, he figures -- let the West take up more of the slack.

So it's hardball, and similar with Mr Putin. He may actually be a harder, if less vital case, because Russia will get benefits from mild warming -- in agriculture and trans-Arctic shipping.

Low Dudgeon said...

Appreciated, Mr. Stodder. That of course makes sense. It also means the man of science is willing to play with catastrophic fire, including in his own China. Or he has a different set of data points than we do.

Mike said...

A little added observation. The U.S. still ranks as the highest cumulative emitter of greenhouse gases since 1750. It wasn't until 2006 that China overtook us as the highest emitter. That could also enter into Xi's calculations, although it makes the outcome for his people no less catastrophic.

Wayne Taylor said...

One very good feature of the carbon fee and dividend (CFD) with border adjustment or tariff policy, is that for nations or states that don't put a tax on carbon, the tariffs imposed on their exports will make all of their carbon-intensive products more expensive, so they will have reason to get with the program in order to compete in business.

For the nations like in Europe and hopefully someday the USA, which do have a CFD +T policy to tax carbon emissions, the crucial feature that may save our collective asses is this: That when the tax-price on excess CO2 emission is greater than the market price of the CO2-producing product itself, there will be a market for companies which do negative emission by sucking carbon dioxide out of the air to sequester it underground in the lithosphere. This technology already exists to harvest CO2 (called Global Thermostats etc), but it is now too expensive for profitability. But when the price on CO2 emissions reaches about $90 per ton CO2, these machines can be made and deployed to profitably sequester carbon from the air (or smoke stacks even better), which will eventually help to lower the CO2 levels below 400 ppm to a more livable range for humanity. Of course, the best way to lower CO2 is to change our agriculture, plant trees and grasslands, and improve efficiency of our cement and steel production etc., or just leave the black goo in the ground!

James Stodder said...

Nice points, Mr. Taylor. But watch out -- you may be accused of "thinking like an economist!"