Monday, July 10, 2023

War and Peace in Ukraine: Part two of three

Zelenskyy, to ABC News:

"The sole desire to bring the war to an end is beautiful. If we are talking about ending the war at the cost of Ukraine, in other words to make us give up our territories, well, I think in this way Biden could have brought it to an end even in five minutes,

But we would not agree."

Wars end when a side loses the will to continue. Both Ukraine and Russia want victory, not peace. 
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War is an extension of politics by other means, and the war in Ukraine is now openly an extension of America politics. Zelenskyy acknowledged that an independent Ukraine was not a priority for Trump. Biden has said that he will back Ukraine "for as long as it takes." Republican candidates for president are splitting over the issue. Pence visited Ukraine and expressed unwavering support. Haley says Ukraine is America's best and most loyal friend. Foreign policy hawk Lindsay Graham is both all-in for Trump and openly supportive of Ukraine. Meanwhile, the peace constituency within the Democratic coalition has a declared candidate opposing Biden. Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. criticized Biden for sending cluster bombs. Kennedy said on his YouTube channel that "
I don’t think there is a way in the world for the Ukrainians to beat the Russians."
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Gary Miller continues the analysis of the stakes involved in fighting and ending the war in Ukraine. He is Emeritus Professor of History at Southern Oregon University. He has studied and written about foreign affairs for four decades.


Guest Post by Gary Miller

Miller


The battle for Bakhmut is in some ways, like the 1916 Somme Offensive in NE France. The primary theater of operations until recently was the city of Bakhmut, which is of “no military value to Ukraine.” 

 

This may be true if “military value” means purely combat-related territory, such as an area of operations the Ukrainians or Russians could push forward. In strictly military strategy and tactics, this city of 70,000 (before the invasion) did not compare favorably with other nearby targets. Yet, the vast emphasis both sides have placed on the city of Bakhmut goes far beyond any strategic value. The city’s importance instead lies in the symbolic weight it has garnered over months of bitter, entrenched fighting.

 

What is the symbolic weight of Bakhmut today?

 

To Ukraine: 

The city has seen some of the most intense fighting since Russia’s invasion. Images of blood-soaked trench warfare are shared on the messaging app Telegram, and “Bakhmut holds!” is a famous slogan on social media.

 

For Ukraine, it has become an example of dogged, determined resistance, similar to the cry of Republican comrades in Spain in the 1930s of “La Pasionaria” (Dolores Ibárruri) in rallying her troops during the Spanish Civil War. Her famous inspiring cry of “¡No Pasarán!” (“They shall not pass!) issued in November 1936 during the Battle of Madrid to rally her soldiers against those of the fascist Generalisimo Francisco Franco has a parallel for Ukrainians today. 

 

Zelenskyy said that if Bakhmut fell, Russia could garner international support for a deal that might force Ukraine to make unacceptable compromises.

 

In a December address to US Congress, Zelenskyy said: “Just like the Battle of Saratoga, the fight for Bakhmut will change the trajectory of our war for independence and freedom.”

 

To Russia: 

The city's fall could be a huge morale boost for Russia, which needs its first significant victory in over ten months.

Russia needs a victory. After its initial advances in the first months of the full-scale invasion, a successful Ukrainian counteroffensive reclaimed swathes of territory in a series of humiliating defeats for Russian forces.

 

For Russia to advance further into Ukraine and achieve Putin’s aim of “liberating the Donbas,” Russia needs to capture and keep control of Bakhmut.

 

Strategically, a victory in Bakhmut could open a path further west, possibly to Kramatorsk, a city with roughly 150,000 inhabitants before the war. 

 

On the Front Line 

In Bakhmut, every week or so, the men in the trenches went to town to do laundry, shower, eat a hot meal, and pick up mail. For every soldier fighting on either side, there may be five to ten support personnel. In 1916 the ratio was nearly 30 soldiers to support each foot soldier.

 

The Ukrainian side has a more significant percentage of volunteers, galvanized by a profound patriotic duty. Many Russian infantrymen were prisoners who “volunteered” for the Wagner Group, a mercenary force. 

 

Something New: Social Media 

Social media is a new tool not available in WWI. Its use in modern combat is a significant component of infantry tactics on both sides, Ukrainian and Russian. Its use is helpful for morale as a soldier’s hometown and family are now easily connected.

 

Propaganda is also a feature of contemporary social media during wartime. A video circulated on social media of Russian soldiers near Bakhmut gunning down a Ukrainian prisoner while telling him, “Die, bitch.” Another showed Russian soldiers castrating a Ukrainian prisoner with a box cutter. A third video surfaced of a Russian soldier decapitating a Ukrainian prisoner as he screamed and writhed. 

 

Morale of Soldiers 

The war has affected all of Russia, but nobody has absorbed its misery and horror as have the foot soldiers. Meanwhile, the scope of the conflict has shrunk even as its brutality has escalated, meaning that a smaller segment of the citizenry has been asked to suffer more for increasingly less self-evident objectives. This divide has fostered some animosity in Russia. 

 

Nevertheless, Ukrainian popular support for continuing the war rather than negotiation with Russia remains high.


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17 comments:

Rick Millward said...

Time.

Nothing stays the same indefinitely. The best weapon Ukraine has is time, and it looks like this is the strategy they are employing. Absorb the blows until Russia exhausts itself. It seems to me that internal pressure in Russia has always been the deciding factor in when they will give up. The West has to make the costs of pursuing this aggression as high as possible.

I'd guess there is all manner of efforts being made behind the scenes to foment discontent and depose Putin and replace him with a more amenable regime.

Sooner than later, one hopes.

Mike Steely said...

Biden says we’ll continue helping Ukraine “for as long as it takes,” but that depends on who is in power. Republicans are still pissed over Zelensky declining to help Trump beat Biden.

Let’s hope that it doesn’t take the Ukrainians as long to kick out the Russians as it took the Vietnamese and Afghans to get rid of us.

Peter C said...

If Trump was President, he wouldn't help Ukraine. He'd probably lift the Russian sanctions to help Putin. No ammo to Ukraine, but maybe some to Russia. He's got to help his buddy Putin no matter what.

I doubt Putin gives up. His ego wouldn't let him. So, this might turn out to be Russia's Ten Year War, like us in Afgan. It won't end until either he dies or is deposed.

Whenever there's a war, most of the people killed are civilians. That's the nature of war.

Michael Trigoboff said...

Equating the US in Afghanistan with Russia in Ukraine is amazing to me. It’s not like we wanted to annex Afghanistan and make it the 51st state.

I doubt that the women of Afghanistan are celebrating that the Taliban (with Biden’s incompetent help) “got rid of us”.

Ed Cooper said...

And of course Drumpf and Pompeo had not an effing thing to do with setting up a No Win situation for a legitimate President. Your continuous disparagement of President Biden grows really old and smelly.

Mike said...

Russia in Ukraine and the U.S. in Afghanistan are both examples of countries being where they don't belong. The notion that we were doing it for the women of Afghanistan is pretty preposterous.

We had good reason to kick Taliban butt and get rid of Al Qaeda, but we should have hit and run. Some believe Bush's BS about staying to turn Afghanistan into a "beacon of democracy." What a crock. It shows how easily the public can be deceived while the Merchants of Death make a killing - literally.

John F said...

Looking at the map of Europe to the Urals starting 2400 years ago the Present (see the map below) you will see the ebb and flow of empires rise and collapse. The broad open plains and easy rivers that are the geography of Ukraine and were little obstacle to advancing armies. Ukraine is the nexus through which invaders flowed into and out of following every point on the compass. The topography of Ukraine is ideal for tank and artillery battles, as long as you control the skies above thus Ukraine's need for more advanced fighters, tactical fighter bombers, and anti aerial countermeasures. You may need to copy and paste the URL into your browser.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/2400-years-of-european-history/

Mc said...

... you forgot to mention Trump's surrender.

Michael Trigoboff said...

George W. Bush‘s idea of turning Iraq and Afghanistan into western style democracies was ridiculous. But the success of General Petraeus’ “surge” strategy showed that we could do a good job of building allies by competently working with tribal societies as they actually are.

Biden’s sudden and shameful abandonment of our Afghan allies was incompetence at at least the George W. Bush level.

I am glad to see Biden supporting Ukraine. I would be happier if he was giving them more of the weapons they need.

Ed Cooper said...

Again, you ignore the fact that Trump and Pompeo promised to be out of Afghanistan by May of that year, without consulting the Aghans or anybody else, and President Biden negotiated the departure until August. Was it perfect, of course not; no retreat ever is. But they accomplished the single largest Airlift of people in History, inder dreadful circumstances. The tone of your posts sound like you think Trump and his toadies would have done a better job.

Mike said...

There was no "sudden and shameful abandonment of our Afghan allies." After 20 years there, we had no popular support. They finally kicked us out, as they have every other invader. It was inevitable.

Meanwhile, the chaos and instability we created in Iraq is ongoing. Mission Accomplished.

Mc said...

The nature of war is also that the wealthy get wealthier.

Michael Trigoboff said...

There was no "sudden and shameful abandonment of our Afghan allies."

Sure, Mike. All of that abandoned military equipment and those Afghani former allies of ours falling out of the wheel wells of airliners taking off from Kabul were just right-wing propaganda.

It’s such a shame that the country was taken in by that Republican disinformation, and only perspicacious and alert citizens like you were able to see through it.

Mike said...

Ok, Michael, whatever you say. Our inglorious defeat in Afghanistan is all on Biden - ever mind that it was fait accompli when he took office.

Michael Trigoboff said...

What is on Biden is the careless and incompetent way that he had us withdrew: the way we left behind all all of those Afghanis who helped us while we were there; the way we gifted tons of valuable military equipment to the Taliban; that sad and chaotic clusterfuck at the Kabul airport.

Perhaps our withdrawal was necessary; I am not blaming Biden for that. But the way we withdrew is all on him. The buck stops in the Oval Office.

Michael Trigoboff said...

With regard to Vietnam, it was only the egotistical LBJ who put massive quantities of US troops into what he turned into a large scale war. There were much smarter ways to go.

Mike said...

That was the only way to stop those commie dominoes. Policymakers said so, just as they now say cluster bombs will stop Russia.