Monday, July 3, 2023

The Colorado website designer case: Wrongly Decided

"Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler. . ."

       
Robert Frost: "The Road Not Taken"


An attorney tells me the Supreme Court got it wrong in the Colorado website designer case.

The plaintiff, Lorie Smith, said she disapproved of gay marriage, but that a Colorado law forbade her from publishing a statement on her website saying "I will not be able to create websites for same-sex marriages. . . . Doing that would compromise my Christian witness." The Supreme Court decided in her favor.

This is the first of two Guest Posts on this subject. Both are written by lawyers, both college classmates. This post, by John Shutkin, generally aligns with the commentary I get from "liberal media" and Democrats. That commentary calls the decision stigmatizing, making LGBTQ people second-class citizens. They call it a return to open discrimination of the pre-Civil Rights era. They fear it portends using an expansion of "free exercise of religion" doctrine to empower public displays of prejudice and permit discrimination in business services. Today gays. Tomorrow Jews, Blacks, anyone.

John Shutkin is a retired corporate attorney who finished his career as General Counsel for two international accounting firms. He is a frequent speaker and panelist at accountants' risk management and legal ethics conferences.


Guest Post by John Shutkin

Shutkin
The SCOTUS majority issued so many odious and legally unsupportable decisions at the end of its term it is hard to keep track of all of them or everything that is wrong with them. But I will focus solely on the 303 Creative case here. That is the one in which, citing the freedom of speech aspect of the First Amendment (not, for whatever reason, the Freedom of Religion aspect), the majority held that a web designer could be free to refuse to provide web design services concerning a same-sex marriage.
Most fundamentally, as Justice Sotomayer noted in the dissent, the majority here, while speaking of speech, is really dealing with conduct. The plaintiff is free to think and say whatever she wants about same-sex couples, but she cannot operate a public business that discriminates on the basis of what she thinks and says about them.

One of my wise classmates, also a lawyer, has stated that, since the admitted discrimination was not based on who the customer was – i.e., gay or straight – but on the message that was conveyed by the service, this discrimination, while odious, was nonetheless protected by the First Amendment.

Respectfully, I disagree on this. While, yes, the discrimination is not based on who the customer is, it is based on the actions of the owner of the business, and not simply on her thoughts and words (which are protected by the First Amendment). In other words, while she is free to be as openly homophobic as she wishes in her own statements, she should not be able to run a business where she is also free to pick and choose whether to provide her services, ostensibly offered to the public at large, based on the message that her clients request her to provide.

Of course, why anyone would choose to hire an openly homophobic web designer to design a website for a same-sex marriage is beyond imagination, but that is not a legal question. And, as has also been noted by many commentators, the case should have been thrown out without even any consideration of its merits since it was so clearly not a "case or controversy" ripe for adjudication, but a request for a purely advisory opinion, which is a fundamental judicial no-no that every first year law student is taught about. (Quite obviously, the case was conceived and put together by an anti-gay political group that then shopped around -- pretty sloppily, it would appear* -- for a willing plaintiff to sign on to it. The same was done by anti-abortion activists in the Mifepristone case in Amarillo, Texas.)

This analysis from Above the Law, while typically snarky, I think illustrates the points: reading the blogs of Robert Hubbell (a lawyer whom I know slightly and respect greatly) and the brilliant historian Heather Cox Richardson, as well as the various legal commenters whom they, in turn, link to:
 
Robert Hubble's substack blog.
Heather Cox Richardson's substack blog.


Tomorrow, an opinion supporting the majority decision by classmate Richard Friedman.




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23 comments:

Mike Steely said...

Businesses that serve the public are supposed to serve them all, but once again the Supreme Court overturned precedent. Homophobes must be jubilant. I suppose we’ll soon be seeing that same logic applied to mixed race couples.

Rick Millward said...

The whole point of human rights law is to discourage bigots. This is the equivalent of the "whites only" drinking fountain sign.

People died to desegregate lunch counters. Businesses are not allowed to discriminate.

I'd add that it's hardly "Christian".

Disgusting...

Ed Cooper said...

If Loving v. Virginia comes up to the Court, watching Thomas should be entertaining, at a minimum.

Ed Cooper said...

Is the Court going to finally do something even more repellent than what they have accomplished this past year ? So bad that the President will change his apparently implacable resistance to increasing the size of the Court ?
To me, the most disappointing portion of his interview with Nicole Wallace recently was his weak kneed excuse for not reforming the Court now; "If we reform the Court now, it might get even more politicized in the future" !
It apparently escaped his notice the the "Politicization" horse escaped the Barn doors years ago, most dramatically while he was the Vice President.

Michael Trigoboff said...

As I am sure will surprise nobody, I disagree with this guest post.

There was a similar case here in Portland. A lesbian couple went into a Christian bakery and requested a cake for their wedding. The Christian bakers very politely said they would be happy to make anything else for the couple, but they could not in good conscience celebrate a lesbian wedding because it would violate their religious beliefs.

Not only did the couple sue them, but the very liberal state government of Oregon went after them and put them out of business. The main official pushing this crusade against them, Brad Avakian, acted so egregiously that he was eventually turned out of office.

The thing that really bothered me about this case is that it happened in Portland, a city so liberal that I am sure the couple could’ve found 20 bakers willing to bake a cake for their wedding even if they wanted little figures of themselves naked and screwing on top of it.

While I don’t know this for sure, I suspect the couple deliberately targeted this particular Christian bakery out of some spiteful political motive.

We all have forms of “speech“ that we wouldn’t want to engage in because they violate our fundamental beliefs and feelings. I would refuse to code an app that pushed Nazi or woke propaganda. If there was a breed of melons that grew with little swastikas on their shells, I imagine Peter would refuse to plant them. The lawyer who wrote this guest post might refuse to represent the Proud Boys.

The government should not be able to compel speech.

Michael Trigoboff said...

The politicization of the court has been going on ever since the Robert Bork nomination.

Malcolm said...

Surely Biden can’t add to scotus by executive order?? If he could, I assume he’d appoint all the new justices, eh? Isn’t that rather political? Same thing if he gets congressional agreement, which, however, is hard to imagine.

Malcolm said...

Michael T, good point-sort of. What about a gay couple who happens to live in, say, Missouri, Tennessee, Kentucky ? So are they forced to travel to Portland to get married, since they surely would be unable to get married in a majorly red state. Seems quite discriminatory to me.

Back to he SCOTUS issue. If repubs are so willing to cheat/break with tradition/whatever you want to call it, I do believe Dems should follow suit, sorry to say. They’ve been so straight and narrow for such a longtime, while repubs continue to destroy our democracy, they need to get a lot tougher to counterbalance these attack dogs!

Malcolm said...

Rick, even more disgusting was the common sight on gas station restrooms, saying, “ MEN, WOMEN, and COLORED, implying that blacks were less than human.

Michael Trigoboff said...

Malcolm,

Gay marriage is legal in the entire country, thanks to the Supreme Court. The gay couple might have more trouble finding a bakery for their cake in Missouri, etc. But I suspect they could find a bakery in the nearest big city that would be willing to make their cake.

Malcolm said...

Well, having to travel to find a service like a wedding cake isn’t too different than blacks having to travel for basic services, e.g. restaurants, movies, pharmacies. And bakeries. Long live the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Peter C said...

FDR tried to increase the Court to 13.. He was rebuffed. I doubt it could happen today.

Michael Trigoboff said...

The difference is, does the service involve speech of some kind? The Christian bakery would have been happy to make another kind of cake for the lesbian couple; just not a wedding cake. Basic services like restaurants, movies, and pharmacies do not require the providers to engage in speech that might be contrary to their beliefs.

Ed Cooper said...

Malcolm and MT;
Why should gay people (or as I prefer to refer to them, "people") be forced to travel any further than the closest bakery to get their cake ? Or a suit of clothes, or a new pair of shoes ? And I look forward to the day when I pass a sign on a Coffee Shop Door stating plainly ;
BIGOTS AND CHRISTIANS NOT SERVED HERE;

Mike Steely said...

Treating everyone as fully human has always been controversial in the U.S. Obviously it still is.

Michael Trigoboff said...

Ed,

Because compelled speech against your personal religious beliefs is also a matter of concern. It wasn’t just a cake, it was a gay wedding cake

Woke Guy :-) said...

So Michael, if that same bakery told you that they wouldn't make you a cake for your Jewish wedding because they don't believe in Jewish marriage and Judaism is sinful and all that good stuff, you'd be totally fine with it? Because I'm guessing you wouldn't be. Likewise it wouldn't be ok if they refused to make a wedding cake because they didn't believe in interracial marriage due to their religious beliefs.

It's totally fine to have any religious beliefs you want, including that gays, blacks, jews, Muslims or anyone else is going to hell, what is NOT ok is having a business that is open to the Public, such as a bakery, and then demanding to be allowed to discriminate against people you disagree with for whatever reason. If you feel so strongly convicted that you won't serve a specific group of people, then don't have a business that's open for the "public."

Michael Trigoboff said...

WG,

A line has to be drawn somewhere. It’s necessarily going to be an arbitrary choice about where to draw it.

Suppose I was running my bakery and someone came in wanted me to make a cake celebrating Hitler’s birthday. Do you think I should be required to make that cake?

I am personally drawing the line at compelling speech that you disagree with.

Michael Trigoboff said...

Treating everyone as fully human has always been controversial in the U.S. Obviously it still is.

Including Trump voters? 😱

Malcolm said...

Well said, Woke Guy :)

Mike said...

The problem is that Republicans regard treating everyone with equal respect to be 'woke ideology.' They have no clue what it is, but they know they don't like it. It has something to do with trans and gays and black history etc...bad!

Fortunately they have a presidential candidate whose entire campaign is based on ridding us of this scourge. He's going to Make America Floria, just as soon as Mickey Mouse quits kicking his butt.

Woke Guy :-) said...

I do agree about the need to draw a line somewhere, it's just that I disagree on where to draw the line. Your analogy about the Nazi cake is where I draw the line too. No one should be compelled to create a cake or a website that celebrates on of the worlds most genocidal murderers who ever lived. That's orders of magnitude different than using cake lettering to write "Congrats Steve & Mike" or some similar message. The former cake would be celebrating an ideology that was dedicated to exterminating groups of humans, the latter cake is celebrating the personal choice made by 2 people that has literally zero effect on anyone other than the people making the choice to get married.

Again, I would argue that if you are running a business that is open to the public (i.e. everyone), then you should not be allowed to discriminate which of the public you serve. As long as the public requests of your business aren't rising to the level of promoting genocidal murderers, it's not unreasonable to be expected to serve all customers equally. And of that's too much for the person in question to handle because of their very strong beliefs, then they should probably not be in the business of having a supposedly "public" business.

Michael Trigoboff said...

WG,

If all the baker has to do is write a short message, I might agree with you. If the gay couple wants a unique artistic creation celebrating their marriage, I might agree with me. Maybe the line is somewhere between those two?