Monday, May 6, 2019

Sanders and Warren

     "The Sanders approach, which has not changed in decades, is to sketch out a social democratic vision of America — universal health care, free public college tuition, a $15 minimum wage — in sentences punctuated by applause."

                  Observation of Daniel Weigal, Washington Post

"Millionaires and Billionaires."

Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders have different messages.  


Opportunity America vs. Class Struggle America.

A recent poll of Bernie Sanders' supporters revealed that 26% of people who favored Sanders said they would vote for Trump rather than Elizabeth Warren, if she were to be the Democratic nominee. Within progressive Facebook groups of past and present Sanders supporters, Warren is not an alternative to Sanders. She is his opponent. She is irredeemably Establishment. She is part of the problem. 

Some of the divide is the Democratic Party label.  

Sanders is running for the Democratic Party nomination but he is not a Democrat. He is a "Democratic Socialist." His friends and supporters do not forget 2016, nor does Sanders in his stump speech.  In their view, Sanders was a victim of the Democratic Party. He was robbed. Democrats might be better than Republicans, barely, but not by much. 

Click: Daily Kos
Hillary Clinton won more 2016 primary votes than Sanders, but this is easily dismissed: she had help from the Democratic establishment inside the Party, so it wasn't a fair fight. Besides, she won her votes early, in red states, the wrong states, won because early in the campaign black voters supported her, not having yet heard Sanders' message. Sanders won in the later primary blue states, states where general election turnout would be crucial. Clinton had super-delegates, those Democratic governors and senators who gave her the psychological advantage of hole-card-Aces.

Bottom line: Democrats picked the wrong candidate, foolishly and corruptly. A pox on them.

Now, in 2020, Sanders is being robbed once again. Candidates are stealing his policy positions: Medicare-for-All, $15 minimum wage; end college debt; end Citizens United influence of money in politics. Imitation is not flattery. It is theft, because they are taking the popular policies without accepting the underlying premise of Democratic Socialism.

Elizabeth Warren has a record long pre-dating the 2016 election as an opponent of predatory banking practices--indeed of predatory banking institutions, too. She led the struggle to pass the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, but was considered too forceful and militant to be confirmed by the US Senate to run the agency. Her response was to run and win a senate seat. She is not a johnny-come-lately to progressive, anti-corporate politics. 

This did not make her a Sanders ally. Still, she is on the wrong side of a divide. She is a Democrat. She does not accept the mantle of "Socialist." 

Opportunity for all.
Warren's speeches tell the story of a girlhood, overhearing her parents' financial difficulties, of her pluck and hard work and affordable college, of the power of women who fight and persist. Political power is needed to force fairness and equality onto the system, where everybody has the opportunity to thrive. 

"Structural change," she calls it. But not revolution.

The world isn't zero sum. Opportunity is not taken from someone else, in her message. It is offered freely to everyone, in a just society. She wants to break up the banks--and the big internet players--so they will be forced to play fairly with consumers. It isn't about redistribution. It is about fairness.

(The Pocahontas meme gets traction and hurts Warren because Sanders supporters claim she got special privilege and advantage from saying she had partial Cherokee ancestry. She got un-equal opportunity, unjustly, they argue. Fraud! It muddles her message.)

Sanders presents a different message: a new America. Built into the Sanders message is class struggle. Some people and interests are pitted against others. His 2016 speeches, especially early on, condemned the "millionaires and billionaires." They focused more on "billionaires" later in the campaign, but built into Sanders' message was that wealth and power were gained unjustly, taken from the labor of workers. Political power is needed to seize back the wealth by reorganizing the system.

Fox news trolls Sanders
The criticism of Sanders-the-millionaire has some traction because Sanders implied that wealth is per se unjustly gained. He explains that he sold a best selling book, and therefore the wealth was gained honorably. No one was hurt. True. His political opponents would agree with him; wealth can be achieved honorably. He owns three houses. He got prosperous and comfortable. 

So what? Writing a bestseller seems innocent to nearly everyone. It does not muddle their message. It muddles his.

Sanders's message is that to get justice we need re-distribution, through taxes but also a shift in fundamental power. His new wealth demonstrates the wrong message, a message of opportunity. Sanders did not need to take the book sales from someone else to have a best seller and make a million dollars.

Sanders' own success paints a picture of wealth in America based on opportunity, not Socialist struggle. It muddles his message.

Both Warren and Sanders have problems to work out. Warren is taking the tack of "moving on" from the DNA/Pocahontas claim. She doesn't mention it, and instead attempts to bury it with a log cabin story of genuine poverty.  Sanders' followers don't forget it, though, and neither do Republicans. They razz her. Fake Indian.

Sanders, for his part, is unapologetic: he is hoping to normalize the word Socialist, and that will likely be a persistent problem with among the older people who turn out to vote. Socialism is associated with wealth confiscation, authoritarian governments, and economic failure. Venezuela and Cuba, and before that the USSR, are widely understood as failures, not successes.  He is adjusting. He criticizes the billionaires, not the millionaires. He still has the "grumpy old man" schtick, and it works pretty well. He seems authentic and charming, but some people resist the messenger. He is 4 years older now. Age comes up.  More important, others are sharing his policy prescriptions, which makes him less out of the box and unique. 

 But Sanders is the sole keeper of the title of "Socialist" and he has a core group of supporters. That gives Sanders political space in a crowded field. Warren will not be able to take it away from him.



8 comments:

Anonymous said...

Cuba? How about Sweden? Your red baiting is transparent.
And others adopting his policy positions isn’t being robbed (unless you’re into that victimhood menality). It’s creating a structural shift in the Overton window. Imitation— the highest form of flattery.

Rick Millward said...
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Rick Millward said...

Great analysis that clarifies the nuance between these candidates!

Bernie Sanders has put himself in a corner. He can't modulate his message because he stated out screaming and now that people are paying attention he's stuck with his brand. He's not a Democrat, and he made a strategic mistake in not joining the party formally.

OF COURSE they ostracized him. It's POLITICS!!

Breathe....

OK...Let's do a Twilight Zone thing here..."imagine if you will" the Democratic party embracing Bernie Sanders in 2019.

Yeah, that's going to happen...

Doing a Sanders/Warren comparison is interesting. Yes, their economic message is derived from the same place: income inequality. However, while Sen. Sanders will no doubt be seen by history as a father of some kind of movement, never mind the US is already a solid Socialist Democracy (just a question of degree), let me be unequivocal: He will never win a general election for President.

If Sanders supporters accept that what are they to do now? Spoil the election or support a more electable candidate?

Maybe one who has solidified HER Progressive bona fides without being a shrill rabble rouser

Up Close: Road to the White House said...

Sweden would be a “social democracy.”

The word “socialist” is included in the name of the country formally l own as CCCP, or in English, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. If Bernie wants to reposition and re-define “Socialist” in the public mind of Americans, it is fine with me, but he claims a burden, unnecessarily. People consider Social Security a good thing, but they don’t think it is “socialist”. No need to brand it something with a problematical name. Anonymous called it “red baiting.” If there is nothing wrong with socialism,then isn’t red baiting good? Doesn’t anonymous think it is a compliment?

A diet product had the name “Ayds”, pronounced “aids” in 1985 they changed their name. They could have stood on principle and said “aids a great name.” They didn’t. Bernie could say he is fighting for a more fair, just American economic system, like Social Security, or he can try to sell Socialism, and can embrace “red baiting”.also.

Peter Sage



Anonymous said...

Divide and (be) conquered. This is what Ds are good at: losing.

Andy Seles said...

Always a tendency among commentators in this blog to focus on persons rather than movements. Identity politics meshes nicely with a dumbed-down electorate that treats nominations and elections like a high school class officer personality contest.

How about we listen to our higher angels this time around and focus on the issues, for example, the IMMINENT DESTRUCTION OF LIFE ON THIS PLANET DUE TO CATASTROPHIC CLIMATE CHANGE?

BTW: "Why do people so often cite the failures of democratic socialism by cherry picking their examples? Why not cite Germany, France, Sweden, Denmark, Great Britain, Japan, Australia, Italy, Canada, Norway, Spain, Finland, Ireland, Belgium, New Zealand, Austria, Switzerland or the Netherlands — all countries that have successfully achieved a balance between capitalism and socialism?" https://www.latimes.com/opinion/readersreact/la-ol-le-democratic-socialism-20180801-story.html
Andy Seles

Up Close: Road to the White House said...

Andy, the campaign and election of Trump validates my position that this is much more like the election of high school student body officers than it is a CSPAN round table on policy. Trump showed it is personality driven.

I realize you care about policy and want Bernie Sanders style political change. His appeal to you might well be wholly policy driven, but the people who drive his popularity numbers are picking up the vibration of his own charisma as a spokesman leader. He has an outsider grumpy truth teller fist shaker Brooklyn persona, which has appeal. Hillary had her own fans, too, based on gender and policy.

This is described as a popularity contest because it is one. What rational reason is there for Buttigieg to be polling so well based on articulated policy? None. He is polling well because he is interesting and unusual. The wonderkind new guy.

Please don’t frustrate yourself by confusing this for a policy seminar. This election is about as rational as why people like or hate the NY Yankees. The task of rational people is to understand the irrational arena we are in, and then achieve rational policy goals.

We elected Trump because enough people liked his act.

Anonymous said...

“We all too often have socialism for the rich and rugged free market capitalism for the poor.” — Martin Luther King Jr.