Thursday, April 18, 2024

The Trump jury

What if you were on the New York "hush money" jury???

(A lawyer-friend told me he would be scared to death. "I'd need to go into hiding."

Now there is a new reverie for idle moments to replace winning a multi-million dollar lottery. What if I were on the New York jury? Could you be fair? Would it be dangerous?

To answer the first question, yes, I think I could be fair. Given what I have written in this blog, I would certainly be bounced for cause. It would be a mistake. When I audited eight days of the jury trial over the fees and collection efforts of a controversial local law firm, the RISE Law Group, I discovered that the trial process caused me to compartmentalize. You are drawn to make your verdict based on the evidence presented in court, where evidence is subject to cross examination. I had heard stories of unsavory and predatory RISE Law Group behavior "in general," but in the case in front of me I evaluated specific actions done to a specific accuser. To my surprise, I thought RISE proved their case. 

I can imagine that jurors in the New York hush money case -- including someone as disgusted by Trump as I am -- might look at the evidence like a checklist. Did he meet this element of the crime, yes or no?  If so, did the prosecution have clear evidence of Trump's intent to affect the election, yes or no? Prosecution and defense might walk me down a disciplined path to a fair and legal decision.

But should I be afraid to serve? Until my lawyer-friend mentioned personal danger, I had assumed I would be presumed to be a non-combatant and out of harm's way. That was naive and misinformed. Trump and his allies on Fox are already bashing the jury, presuming bad intent. Trump re-tweeted comments by Jesse Watters with a premise of bias. Watters questioned the judgment of a juror who works for a law firm with a website saying it practices diversity in hiring. Aha! Prejudice!!

Trump complains he is being swamped by prejudiced jurors.


Trump complains he will be stuck with those villains.


Trump retweets Jesse Watters saying liars are sneaking onto the jury.
 “They are trying to rig this jury. They are catching undercover Liberal Activists lying to the Judge in order to get on the Trump Jury."


Trump broke a norm in American political discourse. He has given the OK to violence as a legitimate response to political setbacks. We have always had some violence in politics, but it was defined as transgressive, morally wrong, and done by fringes, not leadership. Leaders gave pro forma calls to be peaceful, as Trump did, with his single word, "peacefully," in his January 6 call to arms. That was then. Trump now says he will pardon January 6 "hostages" because the rioters are patriots.

This morning a New York juror withdrew. A female oncology nurse told the court this morning that after reflection she wanted off the jury. She had been warned by friends and family that personally identifying information had been made public. "I definitely have concerns now," she wrote. "I don't believe at this point that I can be fair and unbiased and not let outside influences affect my decision-making."

Judge Juan Merchan is attempting to hold back the tide. The damage is long past being done. Trump vilified the courts, and participants in the justice system watched it happen. Trump says that juries are corrupt; courts are corrupt; prosecutors are corrupt; the entire system is rigged. The people who could have pushed back said nothing, afraid of political retribution.  

It is too late, but Judge Merchan is doing what he can. He said this morning, "I'm directing that the press refrain from writing about anything that you observe with your eyes and hear with your ears that's not in the record. We just lost what probably would have been a very good juror for this case and the first thing she said was that she was afraid and intimidated by the press."

We may get a particular skew in this jury. I expect we will have a group of people who know the risks and think, "Damn the torpedoes." That could mean people with an agenda, either of support or distaste for Trump. They remain on the jury because they have a goal. That isn't what we want in a juror, but I suspect that that is what conditions have created. If the system puts a premium not on fairness and an open mind but on moral courage, then the system gets the results it demands.






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13 comments:

Ed Cooper said...

The Lunatic is running the Asylum. He's as crazy as S**t house mouse, and as cunning as a rabid rat, and he's running circles around the Systems which are helping him do it because the people allegedly in charge are afraid. Of what they are afraid of, I'm not sure, but letting this Grifting Con man turn this trial into a Circus only hastens the failure of the Republic.

Mike Steely said...

“Trump broke a norm in American political discourse. He has given the OK to violence as a legitimate response to political setbacks.“

That isn't just a norm in political discourse. Nonviolence is the norm for society to function. Unfortunately, Trump's rants and lies have already led to violence and his malevolent influence has resulted in threats routinely being made against politicians, election workers, public health workers, teachers and others. It couldn't be more obvious what a danger he is to others - all the more reason to prosecute him. Incredibly, even some who claim not to like him make lame excuses for why that shouldn't happen.

Yes he definitely is a threat, not only to jurors but many other people. Failure to hold him accountable for his crimes would be a threat to the rule of law on which our republic is founded.

M2inFLA said...

Trump, Trump, Trump...

Peter, you failed to mention that both sides of the public have an agenda.

Trump has been the focus of the media day, after day, after day. The focus has always been on Trump's guilt. Rarely has there been a story discussing possible defense strategies, and their merits.

Yes, a juror needs to be neutral during the selection process, but what questions are permitted by the judge when jury selection is underway.

This media report about a juror wishing to be dismissed actually throws gasoline on the fire. This juror is afraid; likely afraid of both sides; she feels threatened regardless of how she decides. Neither side will accept the decision of guilty or not-guilty. If the jury decides on "Not-Guilty" for whatever reason, there will be unrest. As many of the commenters her note almost everyday, Trump is clearly guilty.

Me? I don't know, as I have not seen or heard the evidence. I have only seen the charges filed, and don't waste my time listening to Trump's daily denials.

Is there any "benefit of a doubt"? Is there any "innocent, until proven guilty"?

Don't take my comments here as a Trump defender. I don't want Trump or Biden to be the next President. There are plenty of people who would do a good job.

If Trump is elected, he will not be a good president.

I can only conclude that he will not be as bad as Biden. Instead of never-Trump vs never-Biden, I'm in the position of having to choose between Worse and even Worser.

Why am I a never-Biden? He is likely to check-out early on, and we'll be stuck with President Harris.

A Note:

The Collins English Dictionary defines 'worser' as an archaic or nonstandard word for 'worse'. The word 'worser' first appeared in the 15th century and was common in the 16th and 17th centuries. Shakespeare used the word in several plays and sonnets.

To me, "worser" means worse than "worse". I'm open to alternatives, and saying Trump is "better than" Biden doesn't work for me.

I say this about the military before battle:
"we go to battle with the Army we have, not the Army we wish to have".

"You go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you might wish you have" is a quote by Donald Rumsfeld. Rumsfeld said this in response to complaints from troops about insufficient supplies. The quote has been repeated in books and in The Daily Show with Jon Stewart

Anonymous said...

White House aides have reportedly been referring to former President Donald Trump as “Hitler Pig” in their private discussions.

Politico’s West Wing Playbook broke the news of the unsavory moniker on Wednesday following a viral post from Maggie Haberman of the New York Times that said Trump appeared to be sleeping in the courtroom for his criminal trial.

“Trump appears to be sleeping. His head keeps dropping down, and his mouth goes slack,” she said.

According to Politico, the post went viral and “shot around Biden world in emails and text messages between White House, campaign aides, and other Democrats close to the administration.”

“Hitler Pig sleepy,” one individual said on a thread.

Four sources told West Wing Playbook that the moniker “Hitler Pig” is “one that aides to and allies of the president — generally younger, more digitally native individuals, not senior staffers, one person clarified — frequently use to describe Trump”:

Mike said...

"If Trump is elected, he will not be a good president. I can only conclude that he will not be as bad as Biden."

It's hard to imagine how anyone that considers himself rational and hasn't been comatose for the last 7 or 8 years could make such a statement. The difference between Trump and Biden is the difference between a sociopathic egomaniac with 91 felony counts and a respected statesman with a lifetime of public service.

Michael Trigoboff said...

If Trump is elected, he will not be a good president.

I can only conclude that he will not be as bad as Biden. Instead of never-Trump vs never-Biden, I'm in the position of having to choose between Worse and even Worser.


The evil of two lessers.

Why am I a never-Biden? He is likely to check-out early on, and we'll be stuck with President Harris.

Or three… ☹️😱🤢🤮

Michael Trigoboff said...

Clearly, the jurors should be allowed to be anonymous.

Mc said...

Definition of whatsboutism:
See above.

Mc said...

Oh, that's degrading to pigs.

Mc said...

I'd have no problem serving on that jury. It's not hard to see through the lawyer BS.

I would hate to spend a few weeks of my life just because Hitler pig wanted to pork a porn star.

M2inFLA said...

To the folks that disagree with my comment:

1. I am not defending Trump

2. Yes, Trump is a sociopath

3. Yes, he has been charged, but he has not been found guilty of anything yet.

4. If Trump is found guilty, we will next learn what happens when a convicted felon is elected and serves from prison. Guilty or Not-guilty, he will still be on the ballot, unless he takes himself off the ballot.

5. Even if jurors are given anonymity, they will still be found out. Our media figured things out as well as acquaintances of one of the selected jurors. We don't have a witness protection program for jurors that serve, nor does anyone want to subject themselves to future danger.

6. It's easy to see and expect some of the usual reactions here from commenters.

As I suggested, if the choice is Biden and Trump on the ballot, Trump is the likely winner of the election. And the 3rd party candidates will attract people who don't want Trump or Biden; there simply aren't enough of them.

The truth sometimes hurts.

Mike said...

“As I suggested, if the choice is Biden and Trump on the ballot, Trump is the likely winner of the election.”

Actually, what was suggested is that Trump would be preferable. In fact, he's neither likely nor preferable. Right now they're pretty even, but much can still happen. What it may come down to is whether the majority of the electorate in the country are still sane. Of course even if they are, that doesn't always matter.

Michael Trigoboff said...

5. Even if jurors are given anonymity, they will still be found out. Our media figured things out as well as acquaintances of one of the selected jurors.

There should be a law that says that if the legal system decides to protectively conceal the identities of jurors, and some member of the media reveals those identities, anything bad that happens to one of those jurors as a result of the revealed identity should also be done to that journalist.