Saturday, April 10, 2021

RFP: What should we do???

Alabama workers decisively rejected a union. 


This is a disaster for the union movement in America, and a sharp warning for Democrats.  


Now what?


Biden, in Iowa
Of course there were "reasons." People can try to explain away the loss and thereby fail to learn from it.

Critics complain Amazon urged workers to reject the union. Of course. 

Amazon put literature in the toilet stalls. So what? Nobody makes people read on the toilet.

The jobs paid well by local standards. That was Amazon's point.  

Amazon's local management seemed reasonable and fair. Isn't that a good thing? 

Democrats should not dismiss what happened. The union effort lost under circumstances that seemed very favorable. Amazon could afford to pay more and have a union. Biden publicly endorsed a "yes" vote. Even some Republicans joined in, with a double target of polishing their populist credentials while simultaneously showing their base that they weren't afraid of Jeff Bezos, the Amazon founder who also owns the Washington Post.

I was in the room to watch over a dozen Democratic candidates in Iowa say that unions are the solution to America's income-inequality problem. If workers organize and band together, they said one after the other, they have power to change America. Unions are the mechanism. And if unions are strong and growing, then the tide they create raises boats for themselves and the entire country. 

Workers in Alabama said no. 

Request for reader comments.


Most people think we have an income distribution problem in America. The GINI Index, the economists' measure of income inequality, is high in the USA and getting higher. The USA is not among those developed countries with whom we often compare ourselves: Ireland, the UK and Western Europe; Eastern Europe and the Balkans; Canada. Those countries are developed, industrialized, wealthy, and they have substantial income equality and social mobility. That is what American's think we have, but we do not. In America, on the whole, the rich get richer and the poor are stuck staying poor. The USA is in the middle rank of countries for equality of income and opportunity, amid Mexico, Iran, Peru, and Ethiopia. We are more equal than South Africa and Namibia, which lead the list of income inequality.   
Warren

Inequality of incomes has a compounding effect. It leads to unequal life outcomes for children born into the poor and working-poor. People who feel their opportunities are blocked are at high risk of dropping out or acting out. Even the ones that stay on track are tracked for more frustration. 

The Iowa convention was not a gathering of union employees; it was a convention of the business leaders of the unions, AKA "bosses." The union leaders appeared to me to like what they heard. It was a deceptive signal to candidates. Male iowans voted overwhelmingly for Trump. There is no future in pushing an idea of worker solidarity if American workers don't believe in it.  

Democrats have been pushing a second idea: Everyone go to college, or better yet, graduate or professional school. Nurses, accountants, and computer programmers can find work that brings them into the middle class. This is an impossible lift for some people. We need jobs for the Americans we have, and not everybody is above average in intelligence. Democrats paid a price for the implied insult that people need to fix themselves if they want into the middle class. Liberal media figures snickered when Trump said he loved the un-educated. He wants them stupid so he can con them, they said. People who, for whatever reason did not finish college, did not snicker. Trump validated who they were. They don't think they are stupid; they just didn't go to college to study stuff they weren't interested in. They voted for Trump. 

Sanders
If unions and college-for-all are flawed paths to the equality that allows a democratic society to endure, what are the right ones?

One other warning. Raising marginal tax rates does help spread equality, although in fact high income earners in New York City--people making $400,000 in W-2 earned income--are already paying about 64% marginal rate, between federal, FICA, state, and local taxes. [Note, this number is in dispute and may be too high.  See below.]And taxing money after it is earned concedes important ground. It accepts the fact incomes are highly disparate. That makes public benefits the source of income equality, not that the work  itself done by most Americans brought value to the labor marketplace. That makes the government, not the economy, the creator of a middle class. It is teaching a lesson, that the source of money is government transfer, not work, a dangerous lesson we are actively teaching now. Republicans now seem to regret they taught that lesson when Trump was president. Democrats may learn to regret it in the future. 

You tell me. Do we have an income equality problem, and if so, what should we do about it?  I invite comment and guest posts.



[Addendum. Marginal tax rates turn out to depend on a lot of things. A comment noted that adding the FICA paid by an individual, to be matched by an employer, tops out before one gets to the $400,000 range. If a person is self employed, he or she pays both halves, but in any case, not on that last dollar.  My source for the 64% included an estimate of a sales tax, which is also paid in NYC, and that would apply to that last dollar.  I know from experience as someone in a high bracket but who is also drawing Social Security and Medicare, that my wife and I pay a surcharge on our Medicare as well as a higher charge on realized capital gains.   

I know from close observation that, given the cap on state and local taxes, a taxpayer in a high bracket is paying 37% on the margin and another 10% state of Oregon tax which is additive because it is no longer deductible, plus extra Medicare taxes, plus being ineligible for COVID-type benefits.  That puts people here in Oregon at the 50% marginal bracket. It would be higher in NYC, thanks to both the city tax and a sales tax, and if a person were both of Medicare age and still getting the W-2 income, as am I, then it would be significantly higher than my Oregon rate. The premise that a person is "really" paid with stock that does not show up as taxable income is far from universal and not my own situation. My income is mostly fully taxable W-2 income, which is what is taxed at the highest rate. 

Our whole system taxes earned income at the highest rate. Income from capital (e.g. dividends and capital gains) and wealth that is inherited is taxed at a much lower rate, if at all. Heirs are treated much, much better than are workers.]




10 comments:

Dave said...

Yes we have a problem. Technology is changing everything.
Humans can make all kind of stuff cheaply. Machines will do pretty much everything instead of people. When first introduced to grocery store self check, I resisted because I liked the human contact. Now I always do the self served check out because it is faster. This will become more pronounced with time. Amazon delivers to my door with people carrying the package. I wonder how long will it be when self driving vehicles come to my door with a machine dropping off the wanted item. Another job lost, but more efficient. Are Democrats better suited to address this problem than republicans? I think neither know what to do.

TuErasTu said...

"Income inequality" is not the problem and (similar to "defund the police") is an unfortunate choice of words. The real problem is poor social support for those of lesser income: Education; health care and health insurance; infrastructure, including digital access; public transportation; and more. You could lop off the top "one percent" of wealthy people and radically "improve income inequality" and yet have zero impact on the problems outlined above. Or, you could increase Gates' and Bezos' wealth by 10-fold and severely exacerbate "income inequality" (as a math calculation) BUT if society addressed those "social support" issues, then the problem would be addressed. My point is, "income inequality" is a calculation, and designed to trigger emotions around envy and fairness; I would prefer arguments centered around how society addresses the needs of those with lesser wealth. "Relative" wealth is a red herring.

Art Baden said...

Causality or correlation? Since the Reagan Revolution (Grover Nordquist: “I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.“), income inequality, wealth inequality, economic immobility, and partisan vitriol have all dramatically increased. His political descendants - using the red herring culture wars issues, and racism - succeeded in convincing working people to vote against their own economic interests. The Horacio Alger story has become more of a fantasy for most living in middle America. The likelihood of a kindergartner in Central Point public schools to get into Harvard or Stanford are no better than the likelihood of a kindergartner in Northeast Portland to eventually make it to the NBA. In both cases statistically zero. The system is unsustainable.

Michael said...

What is the source of the Gini coefficient calculations? When I looked I found that the US is actually more equal in income distribution than most other countries.

Mike Wallace

Art Baden said...

Causality or correlation? Since the Reagan Revolution (Grover Nordquist: “I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.“), income inequality, wealth inequality, economic immobility, and partisan vitriol have all dramatically increased. His political descendants - using the red herring culture wars issues, and racism - succeeded in convincing working people to vote against their own economic interests. The Horacio Alger story has become more of a fantasy for most living in middle America. The likelihood of a kindergartner in Central Point public schools to get into Harvard or Stanford are no better than the likelihood of a kindergartner in Northeast Portland to eventually make it to the NBA. In both cases statistically zero. The system is unsustainable.

Rick Millward said...

I'll be the first one to say this is a complex problem that can't be fully understood with a couple of paragraphs.

I think the trend historically for civilization is actually toward a more egalitarian distribution of resources; everyone more or less at the same standard of living. Technology helps. Everyone has a refrigerator and indoor plumbing and so on.

But it also means that the society must favor this value. Social Security is an expression of that, also policies that support families in need. We measure a "poverty line" that gives help to them when the fall below the line. This is a role of government and presumably the wish of the electorate.

..."the source of money is government transfer, not work, a dangerous lesson we are actively teaching now."

A dangerous lesson?

This for me is the central issue. What do we do about those who can not or will not work hard enough to rise above needing government assistance? It's my belief that most people don't work to amass a fortune. The majority seek to spend their time pursuing their interests, hopefully earning enough from them to support themselves. I don't think most musicians take up the trade because they seek to become multi-millionaires. It would be nice, but it's not a career that typically creates tycoons, unlike banking, real estate or other professions that are utterly money centric.

Those for whom money is a central value find this hard to understand. They never have enough and they measure their self worth by the size of their fortune relative to others. To win this competition they use their wealth to create more and one way is by controlling government and they require a political party to do this.

Republicans.

It's not just the top 1% who live this way, and they are not by themselves a majority so in a democracy they need to attract others and it's here where we get past the worship of money for it's own sake and get into to Regressive cultural pandering, anti-democratic maneuvering and sustained opposition to Progressive policies.

Finally, climate change is a giant challenge to the Regressive economic model. Many believe a reduction of consumption is necessary for humans to survive. Humanity must "downsize" its impact on the Earth. It's only logical that this begins with those who have taken the most from it.

Tough subject. I'll end with the observation that all human conflict comes from competition over resources. The Jungle. Despite all our progress, our technology, the sheen of civilization, we have yet to fully emerge.

Michael Trigoboff said...

As technology has evolved over the past five decades or so, automation has become increasingly important in the distribution of and requirements for jobs. I have seen this firsthand in my long career as a software engineer.

In the 1970s I was a graduate student in computer science. When we prepared research articles, we would hand-draw the diagrams we needed and send them out to a professional illustrator, who would turn our clumsy drawings into something suitable for publication. Professional illustrator was a good job back then, requiring talent, creativity, and initiative. Those jobs are gone now for the most part, thanks to software that lets people like me with almost no drawing talent produce professional-looking illustrations.

In the early 1980s, I worked for Xerox in Palo Alto, where the graphical user interface technology we now have today (on-screen windows, pointing devices like mice, etc) was invented. We were creating technology like word processing that eventually put almost all of the secretaries out of a job. My job financially depended on stripmining the salaries of soon-to-be former secretaries to fund profits for Xerox and the much higher salaries of the hardware and software engineers like me.

I left Xerox after a few years to work for a startup company that produced a workstation for knowledge workers. One of its features was a battery-powered keyboard that could be hidden beneath the screen when it was not being used. This was an important marketing feature in the 1980s because there were two classes of workers who were terrified to be seen with a keyboard on their desks: older male executives, who were afraid of being seen as secretaries, and younger female executives, who were afraid of being seen as secretaries. This is no longer a problem since secretaries are now almost totally extinct, thanks to people like me.

Now we have robots that are eliminating jobs in manufacturing, warehousing, and many other areas. People with higher IQs are creating technologies that eliminate jobs for people with lower IQs, funded by the savings generated from putting those low IQ people out of work.

Meanwhile, the IQ distribution of the people that we have is not changing. We are configuring an economy that only has work for people with high IQs. Where does that leave people with lower IQs? Many of them end up homeless, scattered through our cities in concentrations of hopelessness.

People like coal miners and truck drivers are told to "learn to code," as if that would be possible for most of them; many of them don't have the minimum IQ that would be required for coding. And thanks to advances in technology, we may not need that many people who can code, especially not in the lower IQ ranges that are capable of it. The homeless camps await the rest of them.

I have worked for the last 20 years teaching computer science at a community college. It's the first time in my long career that I have had the opportunity to do work that improves social conditions for people who might otherwise end up at the bottom of society. This really pleases me, but I can only help the higher end of the IQ spectrum of my community college students.

You can't write code very well with an IQ of 90. 25% of the population has an IQ below 90. If all of the good jobs in this country require an IQ well above 90, what's going to happen to that 25%?

We need to configure an economy that has decent positions in it for the people we actually have, not the people we wish we had. Absent amazing advances in genetic engineering, we are never going to have a population in which everyone is of "above average intelligence." We need to make a decent place in this society for everyone.

Michael Trigoboff said...

A software engineer friend of mine posted this in response to Peter's article. I haven't checked the numbers either way, but I would be interested in seeing Peter's response.

"people making $400,000 in W-2 earned income--are already paying about 64% marginal rate, between federal, FICA, state, and local taxes”

He picks “Marginal Rate” either because he’s lazy, or because it’s a bigger number and so it sounds BAD. Kinda lame.

Also, doesn’t match what I see: City: 6.85 + State: 8.82 + Federal: 35 + FICA: 1.24. (marginal rate is “next dollar” rate and by 400,000 you are over the cap for Social Security). Looking at the numbers, it seems likely he left in Social Security and maybe forgot that employer pays half of FICA.

What I as an American worker care about is what is the effective tax rate of tax taken out of my income because that determines how much I actually get left over.

a) seems likely he’s forgetting the phase-out caps on Social Security ($142,800 for 2021)
b) I wonder if he’s using the federal FICA etc rates and forgetting that the employer pays half?
c) it seems very unlikely that these individuals are only making 400K in W2 income so their actual effective tax rate is much lower. That’s just not how businesses paying that much compensate their high paid employees. That 400K W-2 income is likely at most two-thirds of their annual income; much more likely to be closer to half, or lower.. And they’re paying 20% (long term capital gains or dividend rate) on the rest of their income.

I may have done my math wrong, but I decided to check it:

Assuming Single individual and no deductible expenses (nearly never the case):

NY State Income tax:
(11300-7700)*0.045+(13350-11300)*0.0525+(20550-13350)*0.059+(77150-20550)*0.0645+(205850-77150)*0.0665+(400000-205850)*0.0685 = 26,205

NY City income tax (insane calculation worksheet):
29,219.792

Federal Social Security: 0.062 * 142800 = 8,853.6 (employee portion)
Federal Medicare: 0.0145*400000+0.009*200000) = 2,380

Federal income tax:
$47,843 + 35% of the amount over $209,425 = 114,544.25

So that’s
26205+29219+8854+2380+114544 = 181,202 or 181,202/400,000 = 45.3%. Quite a bit less than 64%

Unless there’s some other taxes I’m unaware of?

That’s without the standard deduction, or any other deductions (homeowner property tax, mortgage interest, donations, etc).

So that’s the difference that picking the alarmist rate instead of the actual tax a person would pay.
And that's without taking into account the more realistic case of (c) above. Let’s try that one:

A software engineer for a big company in NYC who has a salary + cash bonus (W-2 income) of $400,000 is going to be getting at least $150,000K worth of vesting RSUs each year. Assume they are intelligent and choose to hold for at least a year so they pay long-term capital gains rate. So that’ll be $200,000*0.20 = 30,000.

We’ll ignore the 20,000 or whatever they’re making in dividends on their stock investments (if they’re making $550K a year they will likely be investing and saving) so this will be a low-ball estimate.

Add income for 401K benefit that a company paying this much provides: So add 19,500 for their tax-deferred contribution into their 401K and 19,500 company matching (39,000 total) to their total income plus the standard deduction of 12,000 for a single person, so we’re looking at actual income of $601,000 in actual income.

So that means we have 181,202 (tax calculation on 400,000 of taxable income) +30,000 (long term capital gains tax) = 211,202 in total tax on 601,000 and we have: 211202/601000 = 35.1% effective tax rate. Nearly down to half of the marginal rate he tosses out (3% above half to be specific). Quite a difference (and we left out income from dividends which is almost certainly part of this hypothetical employee’s income reality).

Anonymous said...

Yang's idea of an income floor for every citizen of the US is sound. Establishing a basic security level will enable people to decide their fate and assumes universal health and elder care. If their motivation is low their basic needs are met. If their motivation is more they will strive to achieve their goals without worry for their basic needs. The Puritan work ethic isn't for everyone. Over achievers will always be with us. So will the under achievers. If corporations are immortal people government must have the power to regulate corporate pay structure that currently uses comply office pay as a corporate expense (tax dodge) and "reward" them excessively even in failing years. In this case we need to institute a Maximum Compensation Package that is bases on the minimum hourly wage. Hey watch to stampede to raise the minimum wage!

Anonymous said...

The Deep South isn't union territory, which is why certain types of companies locate or relocate in that part of the country. Why is anyone surprised that union organizing does not succeed in a right to work, culturally conservative Red state? Maybe it is time to get acquainted with the people who live in the Red states.