Thursday, July 23, 2020

No mask? No service. Please leave now.

     "We encourage customers who are prevented from wearing a mask due to a health consideration to reconsider travel."

                Delta Airlines


The customer is not always right.  Sometimes they scare off other customers.



A guest post today from a man trying to stay alive in a pandemic.


Calling BS on mask scofflaws. The airlines dealt with a problem. Crowded airplanes spread an airborne virus. Everyone wearing a good mask would make everyone safer, which would mean more passengers would be willing to fly. Some customers were refusing a mask and claiming a medical exemption. United and Delta are cracking down with stringent enforcement of a new policy that makes customers claiming a medical exemption jump through hoops that take an hour and involve a consultation with a medical professional. The process takes an hour. People miss planes.

Prior to this it was the honor system. Airline crews were instructed not to confront passengers who refused to wear masks claiming an excuse. This policy created its own problem; fellow passengers protested being seated near passengers without masks. Customers applauded when crews forced scofflaws to leave the plane.

We accept the implicit authority of people in charge of airplanes and ships, and TSA has conditioned Americans to perceive fellow passengers as potential threats. A mask-less passenger is statistically a far greater risk to others than that they are planning a terrorist takeover of the plane. A virus spreader might infect dozens of passengers and and kill one  or more of them. 

Yet many Americans consider mask wearing an infringement of their freedom and won't do it. President Trump and Republican governors in Florida and Georgia say explicitly that wearing a mask in public is an affront to freedom. Governments might recommend masks, but shouldn't require them.

Airlines can do what retail stores cannot. Stores essentially work on the honor system. Many states currently require mask-wearing in public, but few stores are set up to do actual enforcement, both at entry and while customers wander the store. 

That puts the onus onto customers. They have two tools. One is confronting and shaming mask scofflaws. My own experience, and the experience of Art Baden, the author of the Guest Post below, is not good. Mask scofflaws feel entitled, and are not shamed into compliance by the comments of a fellow customer.

If enforcement is going to happen it will require the store to do it, and I expect they will only accept this burden for the same reason that airlines did: because they will lose business from cautious customers if they do not.  

What to do? Complain to the scofflaw, then tell the store manager you need to shop elsewhere. And tell your friends.

Art Baden is not trying to be a cop. He is trying to stay alive. He is in his mid 60's and has had pneumonia three times in the past. If he were to catch the virus and be hospitalized and die, he would be reported to have two "co-morbidities," age and prior lung condition, and some people would consider his death unsurprising, somehow his fault and not that of the virus. Baden is a retired insurance broker, living in Ashland, Oregon, a pleasant, upscale college town. Market of Choice is a supermarket with a rich selection of organic foods, more in the style of a Whole Foods market than a Safeway or Publix.


Guest Post by Art Baden


Art Baden
So I was in Market of Choice grocery store last night here in Ashland around 8 p.m. and was so pleased that everyone I saw was wearing a mask, pursuant to the sign on the door - No Mask No Entry.

Except for one seemingly healthy and able young man in his early 20’s shopping mask-less in the store.

He got in the checkout line behind me, so I asked the wonderful young woman checking me out “Isn’t everyone supposed to be masked?” She rolled her eyes and shrugged her shoulders, as if to say “I know, but what can I do.”  I couldn’t see a store manager around, so I walked up to the young man and said “you know you are supposed to be wearing a mask, do you have a mask?” He replied ”I have a medical condition.”  I asked, “I’m curious, what sort of medical condition prevents you from wearing a mask?”  He replied “I’m not required to tell you, but wearing a mask gives me anxiety.”

I told him “ Seeing you in here not wearing a mask gives ME anxiety, why don’t you deal with your anxiety?”  He replied, “Why don’t you deal with your rudeness.”

In retrospect I wish I had been more artful in my approach, and used my compassionate communications skills, and invited him to consider that he could be an asymptomatic spreader of the contagious virus, or invited him to consider  how anxious he’d be in an ICU bed with a tube down his throat on a ventilator, but alas, I wasn’t thinking fast enough.
 

Folks, there are very effective therapeutic preventative medications that treat anxiety.  They are covered by Health insurance or Medicaid, for those with lesser means.   There are no such meds available for COVID-19.

This young man’s behavior brings to the fore the dynamic tension in a democracy between the rights of the individual and the protection of society as a whole. 
But in the case of a global pandemic, the calculus seems pretty clear:  People don’t end up in an ICU with anxiety.  If someone is that anxious, see a medical provider and get meds, or use the shopping services at the Food Coop or other groceries and stay home.  

It was difficult for me to confront this young man.  Who wants to create a scene, or potentially trigger another person?  I sure didn’t, but as no one in authority would, and none of the younger hale and hardy patrons stepped up, it was this slight of build 67 year old man who did. . I’m glad I did, and I hope others will do so as well. 

If this young man needs to be shamed into wearing a mask to protect himself and others, so be it.

I’ve had 3 family members lucky enough to survive this scourge.  I know it’s real.

Silence is complicity.  If you see something, say something. 


11 comments:

Naked Molerat said...

Market of Choice was the place I did 90%+ of my grocery shopping pre-Covid. I tried it once in March and found the same kind of problem Mr. Baden did. I don't agree with Mr. Baden that confrontation or an attempt at shaming by other customers is effective. I suspect that when the young man mentioned tells the tale he will describe how he put the old guy in his place and emphasize that he won't put up with such rudeness.

I've concluded that my response has to be to have groceries delivered or utilize pickup and avoid those places where I might come into contact with people such as the unruly young man mentioned. Fred Meyer in Medford is a short drive away. Costco will deliver as will Albertson's. As mentioned, the Co-op has just announced pickup and delivery and I'll use that in the future.

Market of Choice is doubly wrong in it's approach. They should not let maskless people in and, secondly, if someone who can't wear a mask presents, under Gov. Brown's order, MoC has to make an accommodation by providing delivery or pickup to that person. Allowing a maskless person is not an accommodation.

I don't want to confront unruly shoppers or MoC. As for me, I'll find groceries at places where I don't have to enter the store.

Rick Millward said...

Scofflaws are usually an annoying nuisance, in this case it's dangerous. Our county is experiencing an increase of cases each week. Ashland seemed immune for a while, but no longer.

It's getting worse.

Many of us face the same dilemma as Art. It keeps us from generating economic activity in our communities and is partially responsible for the uptick in Amazon stock. Fear of socializing is devastating our local businesses, who are being held hostage by people like those in Art's anecdote.

Anonymous said...

EVERYTHING you want to buy is available from smaller on-line retailers. I've been boycotting Amazon for a few years now. It's obscene that Bezos is piling billions into his pocket while Amazon workers lack paid sick leave and health insurance and don't make enough money to pay rent.

There's a great Oregon-based on-line grocery service I've found: Azurestandard.com. They have regular (free) deliveries to drop off spots all over the country. They have lots of organic choices.

Art Baden said...

One of the problems is that the mask order in Oregon allows for “medical conditions” as an exception without defining medical condition. Kind of like “service dog.” Oh, I’m too anxious to get on an airplane or go to the supermarket without my service animal, often an excuse for: I want to travel with my dog without paying to ship him and I forgot to leave my dog at home and I don’t want to leave it in the car. The tyranny of the weak.

I just found out that two of cousins in NY NJ were down for a month w/ COVID in March. My sister in law in LA is a nurse in a hospital, she had irt. My sister and brother in law in Ann Arbor had it. That’s 5 relatives so far. They all tell me that it was the sickest they’ve ever been. My daughter in law’s best friend, a 40 yr old man, died last week in AZ from COVID.

This to me is a clear Jeremy Bentham Utilitarian experiment:

the principle that "it is the greatest happiness of the greatest number that is the measure of right and wrong."

We all have to sacrifice during this health crisis. I have anxiety too, I was freaking out wearing the N 95 in the grocery the 1st Few times. I worked through it. If someone’s anxiety about wearing masks is that debilitating, they have options other than going maskless to the grocery store, threatening their own health and others’.

As for shame, don’t do shameful things. Don’t threaten your community.

Countries that have been serious and united in mask wearing and social distance have flattened the curve. I believe in science, not superstition.

Diane Newell Meyer said...

Points about shopping and problems with masks;

-- Talking to a person without a mask increases risk, as talking expels contaminants into the air. Just move on.

---I have trouble with wearing a mask due to extreme lung function problems and asthma, and end up lifting the mask to get air in the empty aisles. But I wear it, as I am in the extreme risk category.

---Not everyone can shop on line. I use an EBT (SNAP) card, which is not taken for home deliveries in Ashland yet. I cannot afford to deplete my cash when I need to be using the food stamps for purchase. Stores that allow use the card for shopping so far are only for pick up in cars, and s the problem of bringing in the heavy groceries from the parking lot to my apt is most of the problem for me, so why bother?

---Also, my one shopping delivery at home experience was mixed. Next time I will say no substitutes, as their choices of things to substitute were not things I would choose to eat. They picked out some dry oranges for me. etc. On line it is hard for me to scan for sales. They use instacart, which charges higher prices, and then one must tip for delivery, too.
So I say, shop, shut up, and get out.


Kevin said...

Maskless shoppers or fliers offer a very minimal (but real) risk of spreading the virus, so it's understandable that people are uncomfortable around them. I like the idea of the airlines telling customers that in order to maintain safety for other passengers, maskless people with a medical condition should reconsider travel.

I just wish that they similarly addressed people who demand to have their anxiety animals accompany them on flights, despite the danger of allergies, poor hygiene and biting. A little consistency would be swell.

Anonymous said...

You can’t shame anyone in this culture - that’s why we have the culture we have. The responsibility is the management of MoC, not the cashier. If they’re not going to enforce the policy then they shouldn’t post the policy. And if they’re not going to offer curbside pick up or enforce a mask policy, then we consumers should vote with our feet and shop elsewhere. And let them know that.

Naked Molerat said...

Mr. Baden's comment at 11:24 misunderstands the nature of the "medical conditions" exception, as does Kevin in his comment. If a person invokes the "medical condidions" exception the retail establishment may not allow him/her in the store. The business must then reasonably accommodate by offering curbside or delivery. It may not allow the customer to come in without a mask. Here are the words from the OHA.

"What should I do if a potential customer or visitor shows up without a mask, face shield, or face covering and claims their disability prevents them from wearing a mask, face shield, or face covering?
A3(a): If a person with a disability cannot wear a mask, face shield or face covering, a place of public accommodation will need to work with that person to seek a reasonable modification to access their services, such as curbside pick-up, delivery, or an appointment by phone or video. A reasonable modification does not include simply allowing a customer inside without a mask, face covering or face shield."

The entire explanation can be found at the OHA website.



Naked Molerat said...

Here is the website for FAQ on the Governor's mask order.

https://sharedsystems.dhsoha.state.or.us/DHSForms/Served/le2390e.pdf

Anonymous said...

People who refuse to wear a mask are free-loading off of the people who wear them. They get the benefit of us trying to protect ourselves and others, INCLUDING THEM. They, on the other hand, jeopardize their own health as well as the health of everyone with whom they are in contact. They are nothing more than adult spoiled brats. And speaking of free-loading, how about the COST of this crisis?

I am not referring to people with legitimate health problems. There are several options and solutions for them. If those folks want others to care about their health issues, they need to return the favor and care about possibly transmitting the virus to others.

Bob Warren said...

On Wearing a Mask
Strangely, we are beholden to the dreaded Corona Virus in delineating the differences, or nuances, in respect to our most treasured personal liberties. A certain segment of the population bristle when the wearing of a medical mask is mandated by government and wholesale gatherings of people are prohibited. This phenomena is known as “Tunnel Vision” as most of these same citizens see no violation of their rights when they obey traffic signals while operating a motor vehicle and warn their children to “wait until the light turns green” before crossing the street on their way to school. All societies, from time immemorial have mandated certain behaviors as a necessary means of co-existence. Today, in a rapidly evolving technological wonder world that offers cell telephones, driverless vehicles, assault rifles and the Corona Virus we have become increasingly dependent on the expertise offered by people qualified to offer knowledge far beyond our ken. Wear the mask even if you personally believe it to be ineffective, wear it in honor of your fellow American’s belief in its efficacy. It’s really not asking too much and it marks you as considerate of your neighbor’s fears.
Bob Warren