She was in a mob attacking Members of Congress. What did she expect would happen?
This isn't Uvalde, where the police just sat there.
Ashli Babbitt was shot in the act of breaking through a broken window of a barricaded door. She was trying to enter the Speakers Lobby of the House chamber, where members of the House of Representatives were sheltered. People in the mob were using flag poles as pikes. Police had been warned that pipe bombs were found outside the Capitol. They had been alerted that many people might be carrying concealed weapons. There was a noose displayed outside the Capitol. It was a noisy melee. They were shouting their intent, to stop Congress from carrying out its work. Police warned the crowd breaking down the door to stop. Babbitt did not stop. She was moving forward when she was shot. The police did their job. Others around her are lucky they were not shot as well.
Ashli Babbitt was shot in the act of breaking through a broken window of a barricaded door. She was trying to enter the Speakers Lobby of the House chamber, where members of the House of Representatives were sheltered. People in the mob were using flag poles as pikes. Police had been warned that pipe bombs were found outside the Capitol. They had been alerted that many people might be carrying concealed weapons. There was a noose displayed outside the Capitol. It was a noisy melee. They were shouting their intent, to stop Congress from carrying out its work. Police warned the crowd breaking down the door to stop. Babbitt did not stop. She was moving forward when she was shot. The police did their job. Others around her are lucky they were not shot as well.
Donald Trump tweeted a defense of her:
It isn't just Trump who thinks this way. Apparently a significant number of Republican officeholders agree.
I don't understand this. I don't think I am being cruel. In what world could I expect to break into a government building--or for that matter any secure private place--that is protected by locked doors and armed guards and not expect to be shot and killed? Imagine breaking into a bank and being confronted by armed guards. Their job is to stop me.
If I were part of a mob, demanding to get onto an airplane parked at the gate to attack the passengers, and were I confronted with armed guards from the TSA, shouldn't I fully expect to encounter lethal force if I were attempting to crawl through an opening the mob battered into the airplane door?
Today, in Medford, both the Jackson County Justice Building, with courtrooms for the state court system, and the Federal Courthouse with a Magistrate Judge, have armed security. The risk of a mob shouting chants of violence against the judges is low. Still, officers with guns protect them.
At the bank, the airplane, and the courthouses, lives would be at risk if mobs broke through and attacked people, but the American republic itself would not be at risk. But at the U.S. Capitol both lives and our system of government were threatened.
I have written about norms. Laws protect our freedoms and system of government, but so do norms and expectations. Mike Pence did not use the role of Vice President to throw out electoral votes. The idea was unthinkable--as well as not lawful. Trump told state legislatures they could simply ignore the vote and cast the state's electoral votes as they wished. It seemed crazy because there is a norm that legislatures not ignore election results. As I wrote three days ago, the norm that people file an honest tax return is an essential part of our system of taxation. The House majority vote to reduce IRS auditors and call them Gestapo sends a message that the norm is that returns should not be audited.
So I will take this opportunity to place a stake in the ground for the norms when people are destroying public buildings. It is wrong, whoever does it. There is a difference between peaceful protest and violent acts. Anarchists who throw rocks and set fires are doing something criminal and morally wrong. They should be stopped. Whether in Brazil or the U.S. Capitol, people who vandalize and threaten people should be stopped, by armed police and by deadly force if necessary.
Some of my critics say that I am "just a liberal" or "really just a Democrat." So let me say, as a liberal and a Democrat, that the norm we stand for is that it is wrong to vandalize public buildings and wrong to invade the Capitol to stop the transition of office. Armed security has an obligation to protect the people and functions that take place in those buildings.
Darned right she was shot.
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8 comments:
Those who get their news from reputable sources – what Trump calls “the enemy of the American people” – are well aware of why Babbitt was shot. Those who get their disinformation from social media and the likes of Fox Noise believe what they want to believe, regardless of the facts. They consider her a martyr, killed in a patriotic attempt to overthrow the government at the urging of her president.
Gee, I wonder why we can’t all just get along. I'm sure if we just patiently lay out the facts, they would be as receptive as they were to the COVID vaccine.
I totally agree.
Democrats would be in a stronger position on this if they had not spent the summer of 2020 making excuses for the “mostly peaceful“ violent protesters who were repeatedly attempting to injure police officers and burn down the Portland federal courthouse.
Michael is right, although it is interesting that the perception of Republicans as “ the law and order party” is not hurt by their pandering to the terrorists of Jan 6th, whereas Democrats need to continually deal with the backlash from Portland. Hmm…
Another factor not addressed is that of …. dare I say it …. white privilege. Imagine 2 thousand black and brown people storming the Capitol. Just sayin.
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I agree Peter. This will sound harsh, but I wonder if the invaders would have been stopped if More of them were rightfully shot. A few more guns used by the police would have been a good thing. I have no gun, but would not hesitate to use my bear pepper spray if someone was breaking into my house. As I understand it, it is lawful to kill someone who is breaking into your house if your life feels threatened. Seems to me lives were threatened. If Nancy Pelosa was surrounded by those people is there any doubt her safety would be in jeopardy?
Every one of the mob put themselves at risk. That seems obvious, but I wonder if they were all so delusional in their beliefs that they felt invulnerable.
This is nothing less than cult behavior, and clearly the actions of mentally challenged individuals (Qanon Shaman?), so it's not out of the question to regard the Republican party as a cult; it fits the textbook definition:
"A group focused on a living leader to whom members seem to display excessively zealous, unquestioning commitment."
It's only due to the restraint of the capital police that more weren't killed. It's now known that many of the rioters had guns and knives, and it's also remarkable that they didn't use them. It could have been so much worse. I would guess the door where the shooting happened was considered a red line, to be defended at all costs.
To the main point, political violence is a symptom of a society that has lost its equilibrium. We should condemn it for being futile and destructive, while acknowledging it may be justified. In this case it's the result of a campaign of lies and disinformation for the benefit of a cult leader and his enablers.
We'd be less concerned with a mob storming the Kremlin.
All violence is regrettable, but it isn’t all equal. We keep hearing comparisons of the Portland protests to Jan. 6, but there’s a big difference. The former was a bunch of thugs running riot; the latter was a sitting president assembling an armed mob and siccing it on Congress to prevent the peaceful transfer of power. The former is a crime; the latter is treason.
Reagan had no problem restricting California's gun laws when the Black Panthers were armed.
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