Florida is disguising its COVID deaths.
More people are dying from it than they let on.
Ron DeSantis' story is that Florida doesn't have vaccination and mask mandates, yet its death rates are just as good as other states' experience. See? He did it right, he says.
Classmate Rob Fowler looked closely at the statistics and uncovered an anomaly. Florida is gaming the system.
Rob Fowler is a retired Computer Science researcher who specialized in improving the performance of supercomputers ("It costs as much as a power forward and occupies the space of a basketball court.") He retired just a few months before COVID-19 hit, so he said he put his plans for golf, travel, and get-togethers on hold. Now he does gardening and art.
Guest Post by Rob Fowler
Lies, Damned Lies, and COVID
From the emergence of the very first cases of Sars-COV-2, a.k.a., COVID-19, in the United States it has been treated in some circles as less of a medical and public health crisis and more of a political issue that reflects on the reputations of those in charge. Right from the beginning from one side we’ve heard: “It’s phony.” “It’s a Chinese Communist attack on America.” “There will be 15 cases and then it will disappear.” “Why is there so much testing? If we don’t test there won’t be diagnoses and the problem will go away.” “It’s over-reported to make us look bad.”
Right from the start, Florida led the charge to control the flow of information: Forbidding local officials from issuing their own reports; and going so far as to fire (and prosecute) Rebekah Jones for trying to keep the state COVID dashboard alive and up-to-date. Other states have restricted the free flow of information, but not nearly as much came to public light.
From the start of the pandemic, I’ve been interested in examining the reports to try to understand and model the trends. Given both motives and opportunities for restricting and otherwise manipulating data, one needs a critical (cynical?) eye. An increasingly widespread consensus is that “excess deaths” statistics may be the only data one can trust.
In the summer of 2021 Florida did two things that changed their reporting practices. Instead of releasing daily updates on a by-county basis, Florida released statewide numbers at two-week intervals. They slow-walked the release of death information, with a low-ball figure that is updated later, going back several months. The data was out of date and over-aggregated, but I expected the numbers to converge within a month or two.
Then, since November, something strange happened. Despite reporting huge case rates that considerably exceeded the rates of other large states, the reported death rates went suspiciously low and stayed for weeks on end. For example, today, January 1, 2022, The Guardian’s seven-day figures lead off with: California, 225,346 new cases and 394 deaths; Texas, 104,837 cases, 422 deaths; and Florida, 302,179 cases, 157 deaths. Note that California has almost twice the population of Florida. This has been the pattern since around the end of October.
Inquiring minds have to ask: What is going on? Has Florida, a hotbed of anti-vaccine, anti-masking, and anti-distancing behavior somehow pulled off a miracle? Will this miracle be used in Ron DeSantis’s presidential campaign? Even though the anti-vaxxers seem to believe that Remdisvir is a deadly poison, has Florida discovered the key to avoiding death-by-COVID? If not, what’s happening?
Then I discovered this interactive CDC tool adjacent to the Excess Deaths. It lists all total deaths, as well as those caused by COVID, pneumonia, and influenza in various combinations. The difference between the two pneumonia columns yields “non-COVID pneumonia." I extracted some data for the week ending 12/04/21 to give “slow data” a chance to find its home. I selected Florida and a couple others for comparison. I added a column with the state population to make it easy to compare sizes.
Note that for most rows the number of pneumonia deaths is not much larger, nor much smaller, than the number of COVID deaths. Florida sticks out like a sore thumb because the number of pneumonia deaths not associated with COVID is 219, (i.e. 315 minus 96), a third larger than all the COVID deaths. Either there’s some serious data fiddling going on or Florida is suffering from, and concealing, a pneumonia epidemic much more deadly than COVID!
Aside: Since November, North Carolina's overall death rate is grossly under-reported in the CDC tool, though other sources quote reasonable totals. I've contacted the CDD to try to get an explanation or correction.
The tool shows that three months ago Florida’s number of deaths was higher than California despite the disparity in population, but much less than Texas’s with the comparable population. There doesn’t seem to be anything blatantly out of whack in the pneumonia numbers; everywhere most of the pneumonia is associated with COVID. While Florida's non-COVID recent pneumonia are highly suspicious, many of the other states are showing recent trends that bear continued scrutiny.
Note that this doesn’t count other deaths that might be associated with COVID. Snopes These statistics do not account for deaths from “long COVID”, nor due to people being unable to get non-COVID critical care.
For I while I was completely mystified and my only model for the anomalies was outright fraud. Then I noticed anecdotes about people “recovering from COVID but still dying in the hospital”.
It turns out that CDC answers the question “When can I stop self-isolating and consider myself recovered?” If you get symptoms, then 10 days after the test or start of symptoms, fever-free for 24 hours, and improving symptoms. It seems like reasonable guidance for mild cases. In severe cases, if hospitalized, extending the period up to 20 days “may be warranted." Regardless, positive tests may persist for months and are not regarded as continued disease.
Thus, under CDC guidelines someone in the hospital could be deemed to have “recovered” if they survive for 10 days after the first positive test and then have any period during which some unspecified “symptoms” improved.
From a certain perspective, therefore, if a person survives 11 days after symptoms or testing positive and then dies, the reporting authority may have a rationale for determining that the person “recovered from COVID” and therefore does not include COVID as a contributing cause of death. On the standard U.S Certificate of Death there’s are spaces to enter up to four conditions, but no requirement all be listed, and no place to note fevers and symptoms. The final authority in reporting deaths and causes may be an employee of the local health office. This gives local officials under political influence, a huge amount of flexibility in reporting death causes. Here is an example.
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Gee, a Republican politician not being honest about Covid. Seems to me that’s practically a requirement of being a Republican. Is there any question the obfuscation stems from The Florida governor? I think not.
Here's a URL to a newspaper article discussing the "recovered but died in the hospital" phenomenon. https://bangordailynews.com/2020/12/02/news/bangor/she-got-covid-19-recovered-then-died-shes-among-the-victims-but-not-in-the-official-tally/
Here's a URL to a newspaper article discussing one "recovered but died in the hospital" case.
https://bangordailynews.com/2020/12/02/news/bangor/she-got-covid-19-recovered-then-died-shes-among-the-victims-but-not-in-the-official-tally/
The pandemic continues to run rampant, thanks to all the unvaccinated chumps bamboozled by right wing lies and conspiracy theories. Republicans now blame it on a lack of testing, trying to make all Biden’s fault. Only the clueless are likely to swallow that crap but as we’ve seen, there’s an awful lot of them.
Thank you for the data and analysis. The conclusion is completely plausible, all that's needed is someone to admit to being pressured to skew the reporting and point a finger at the statehouse.
One thing in common with today and yesterday's stories is...wait for it...Republican lying for political advantage.
The fundamental problem with false realities is that they are not sustainable; sooner or later they collapse. This is why Democrats have an obligation to call out these lies, as exhausting as it is, to try and mitigate the damage. The other point evident in this is Republican lack of concern for their followers.
It's not a stretch to call it a death cult, is it?
Is there some way to get this analysis to the media to get it widely publicized? I think some reporters would be interested.
Somehow the URL for the CDC tool got messed up and is resistant to repair.
Here's the correct URL https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
It would be insightful to play with it yourself.
You can also download a giant CSV file and read it into your spreadsheet application to make the data easier to manipulate.
Curious. There is a subjective component to the fatality data. For example a surgical procedure may have been completed successfully but the patient dies of complications from the procedure like an infection. Should that be classified as caused by the doctor or the general fact that the patients can acquire an infection after the procedure. The medical record keeper is allowed to make that decision. But this is one data point in the file. Should a significant number of patients die of infection after a “successful” surgery when compared to other doctors performing the same procedure, than you might conclude there is a problem with this particular surgeon and their technique contributing to the patients death. Again the determination will be subjective. If your loved one died this way then you may wish to sue the doctor and the hospital that allows that physician to practice there. In short, the simple facts become confused with specifics and require interpretation. Mission accomplished! The interpolation can be spun in a variety of directions. The data point to look for is an actuarial one - excess deaths. Whether caused by CoVid or other causes the simple fact remains the pandemic has overtaxed the healthcare system in a particular state resulting in an excessive number deaths. And if you’ve read my comment to the end and still follow what I’m describing you are schooled in biostatistics. Not many people have the ability to do a deep dive into the data. A politician can easily distance themselves from culpability in that situation as there are no direct links to them, only indirectly and perhaps by someone with a bias against them. Easy to counter for a skilled politician. Again Mission Accomplished!
Thanks.
Ultimately excess deaths will be the key to definitive answers.
The surgery issue seems fairly straightforward. If the patient dies before being discharged from the hospital, the surgery was an ineffective treatment. If the patient dies before leaving the OR, or from a side effect caused by something that happened in the OR, it was a failure even if no one is at fault. Even if the patient doesn't die, e.g., severe brain damage do to an anesthesiologist's goof, the surgery would be a failure.
A lot of stuff got thrown out of the first draft. The link to Snopes.com is in reference to a UK study that during one period one in eight patients hospitalized with COVID and discharged die within 5 months, presumably of something related, e.g., heart condition made worse by COVID.
One extreme in the other direction is an article (https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/why-no-one-can-ever-recover-from-covid-19-in-england-a-statistical-anomaly/) that claims that in England if you get run down by a bus, they'll blame it on your previous COVID.
Two credible articles about COVID deaths being undercounted:
The first talks about how there is no national standard for cause-of-death reporting. In some places, there is no medical expertise involved.
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/nation/2021/12/22/covid-deaths-obscured-inaccurate-death-certificates/8899157002/
This article says undercounting of COVID deaths is greater in places that support trump:
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/nation/2021/12/22/covid-deaths-obscured-inaccurate-death-certificates/8899157002/
This Florida resident likes most of what DeSantis is doing for Floridians, and I don't look forward to him running for President.
Is he or someone in his staff goosing the numbers? I don't know, and I'm not sure anyone knows the true validity of all the stats across the US.
For example, hospital admissions due to COVID-19 for one. When a person is admitted to the hospital, they are tested for COVID, and it's reported as a COVID case even if there are other factors that were the primary reason for going to the hospital.
Death reports don't always report comorbidities. Yes, serious illness can turn to deaths as COVID makes one less likely to survive.
DeSantis is a target for a variety of reasons. All forms of attack will be used.
If this analysis has merit, I expect the NY Times, WashPost, and/or the WSJ to delete deeper.
Correction in last sentence above:
Not "delete deeper" but rather "dig deeper"!
This doesn't relate to the data above, but to the question of its credibility and whether Ron DeSantis is capable of anything so reckless and self-serving.
Just before DeSantis reopened the state back in May, COVID cases were surging. Rebedah Jones worked for the Florida Department of Health and created its COVID data portal. She says dada scientists were pressured to fix the numbers to make the case for reopening. She refused and no longer works there:
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/29/884551391/florida-scientist-says-she-was-fired-for-not-manipulating-covid-19-data
Regarding Mc's contribution:
This is a version of the article I linked to at the very end. The version I cited appeared in a Missouri paper, so it starts off with a Missouri-oriented hook. Same authors are the same for each. I'm hoping to see more from them.
You posted one URL twice. I'd like to see the second one.
From Orlando Weekly, listing the top 10 stories from 2021:
"Is Florida COVID data activist Rebekah Jones grifter or hero, villain or role model, liar or whistleblower? Maybe all of the above," June 16.
Reporter Ava Loomar spent months talking to polarizing data scientist Rebekah Jones for this story. Jones captured the national stage when she went public with accusations that Florida's health department, at the behest of Gov. Ron DeSantis' administration, fired her for refusing to fudge the numbers on its official COVID case dashboard. Not one to be silenced, Jones created her own dashboard to offer the data she felt the state was withholding. She appeared on television to rail against the state's health leaders, progressive groups showered her with accolades, and she gained over 400,000 supporters on Twitter, who regularly expressed their gratitude. The state reacted by releasing details of Jones' "unsavory past" in an attempt to milkshake-duck her, then raided her home, carrying guns and a sledgehammer, to seize her computers. As is so often the case with whistleblowers, the human who spoke out against what she saw as wrong is not a perfect angel. But that doesn't mean the tune she whistled was off-key.
Regarding M3inFLA's comment --
I'm mostly interested in why Florida's numbers are so low and what changed in Oct 2021. In particular the case numbers stayed high but the death numbers plummeted It's very different from almost anyplace else. Mississippi's numbers have similar ratios, but it's a much smaller state. Is this an artifact of reporting or is it really a medical miracle?
Until October COVID mostly killed by causing severe pneumonia. Since then in FL it stopped killing as high a fraction by pneumonia, but if you believe the state's reported numbers there's now another cause of pneumonia that's deadlier than COVID. That's the story told in the numbers the state gave CDC. I really don't care whether this narrative is right or there's some other explanation. Either way there are a lot of people dying a lot sooner than predicted.
The numbers are generated by county health depts. I don't think DeSantis's staff is doing anything at the state level. CDC doesn't have the county data, but other agencies do. The state totals are close to the county totals. The USAToday article discusses how local and county officials affect the reporting. You might make some local inquiries to find out their policies.
My gripe with DeSantis is that even if he isn't manipulating statistics, he's still going around claiming a huge success. Too many people in FL are still dying too soon. Too many people, not just in FL, are saying "He recovered from COVID, but died in the ICU of other causes."
Mr. Fowler—
If (if) you’re willing to set aside the question of statistical bad faith for the sake of a different argument, it seems to me that DeSantis will find himself on solid political ground. His big state is at least a push overall in terms of public health results, but his economy is healthier, his public schools barely if ever closed, and he rejected all along core mask and distancing protocols, which laxity AOC herself is infamously taking advantage of at present on vacation with her boyfriend, and which are being disavowed by the new NYC mayor. His state is famously comprised more of our well-informed elder citizens—still extra vulnerable to COVID—yet he’d win re-election by 20 points in a vote held tomorrow. DeSantis appears to be on the right side of (current) history.
By the way, not to be too flip but does your dinner-table photo depict you before COVID, and your self-portrait after?! Many, many Americans have similarly spanned that grievous divide.
The photo was taken in a seafood bar in Newport News in 2018.
The title of the drawing is "Angry Old Man With Broken Nose". I did it in April 2020 a day or two after I had the stitches removed. In March 2020 I had a flu-like disease that lasted about a week. This was before COVID testing was widely available, so I'm not officially a "case". The timing was suspicious. Anyway, while sick I woke up around dawn face down and bleeding on the bathroom floor.
The fall actually straightened my nose a bit. This was at least the 4th time I've broken it. I've never completely recovered from that "flu". I've got mysterious fatigue and weird muscle pains.
More DeSantis:
He's been offering solutions since the beginning back in Jan 2021 where vaccination sites were set up quickly, at no cost to us residents. Wife and I got our 1st jab in early Jan, a few days after the big site opened to us. Got our 2nd a month later in early Feb. Got booster in September before it was rolled out ationally. Mainly because my healthcare provider offered it when we asked about flu shots. They had ramped up in anticipation of an announcement that boosters would be approved by end of August. They offered booster to us that otherwise would have been tossed due to storage restrictions and timing. We got our flue shot later in October.
Since Jan 2021, DeSantis pushed to make vaccines widely available. Now you can get them in most any pharmacy or grocery store.
A few months ago, he had monoclonal antibody treatment sites set up, purchasing regeneron using state funds as the federal government wasn't quite ready to supply them as yet. Treatments are free. Now there's conflict as Florida can't get enough supply as the feds have locked up all the supplies, restricting independent purchase by the states. Bureaucracy is getting in the way.
For testing, we've visited local rapid testing sites, and got them for free. Just need to make appts the day before. Friends in Virginia pick up home test kits at there local library. I'm sure other states have similar offerings. The Biden Administration is finally fully on board with providing home testing kits after initial reluctance.
With wider testing, though, we are seeing even more positive cases, many being asymptomatic.
The criticism of DeSantis seldom mention the positive actions his administration has been taking. Could he do more? Yes, and he is moving much more rapidly than many other states are.
Case counts only tell a very small part of the story.
Here you go. Thanks for letting me know.
Undercounting of COVID deaths is greater in Trump-Supporting Places
https://www.statnews.com/2021/01/25/undercounting-covid-19-deaths-greatest-in-pro-trump-areas-analysis-shows/
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