Saturday, April 27, 2024

Ukraine defense. Self defense.

We aren't sending money to Ukraine. We are sending weapons: Artillery shells, drones, missiles, tanks.

We build those here in the USA. 

Aid to Ukraine is an American jobs program.



I have mixed feelings about what constitutes a just and necessary war, including this war in Ukraine. But I am OK with our helping Ukraine protect itself from Russia. 

As a young man of draft age during the Vietnam War I considered battles over territory, markets, and influence to be a game played by selfish old men to gain power at home while they sent young men off to fight and die. These lyrics sung by Edwin Starr in 1970 seemed about right to me:

"War, huh, yeah
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing
Say it again, y'all
War, huh (good God)
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing, listen to me, oh"

I still think that. But I recognize that it is a dangerous world, and that some of those selfish old men lead other countries. So my feelings are more conflicted now.

Most of the opposition to our giving aid to Ukraine comes from the political right. Trump tilted toward Russia and he brought his party along. There is an argument to be made that we forced Russia's hand. The West's alliances with Slavic countries crowded Russia. Russia perceived a threat. This should not be hard for Americans to understand. Countries are nervous about borders. Over half of Americans consider immigration to our country an "invasion," the repopulation of the U.S. by the descendants of the indigenous people White Americans displaced 200 years ago. They are at our southern border. They are unarmed, impoverished, and eager to work at hard-to-fill jobs. Poland, the Baltic countries, and Ukraine are armed rivals, allied with yet more rivals. We should not be surprised that Russia felt it needed to do something. 

Still I hope Ukraine survives. I want a peaceful global order and Russia's invasion upsets that order. I want Russia stopped.

The U.S. is fighting this war alongside Ukraine the way that Americans prefer to fight. We are the arsenal. Other people do the fighting and dying. Our provisions; their blood.

Opponents of our assistance to Ukraine describe our aid as an expensive act of generosity. That is why they talk of giving money to Ukraine. We don't send much money. We send weapons made in U.S. factories. Marc Thiessen of The Washington Post has written two columns describing where weapons are made, and which U.S. representatives oppose Ukraine support notwithstanding their own districts benefitting from those jobs, shown in red on the second map.

The American economy shifted from being a manufacturing powerhouse into a service economy. China manufactures things to sell us. We manufacture debt to sell them. There is a strategic problem with this. The ability to manufacture weapons at home and in quantity is a matter of national security. In the 1940s, Germany and Japan had technologically more advanced weaponry than we did, but that wasn't what counted in a prolonged war. We overwhelmed them with our ability to produce ships, planes, and munitions. The weapons of the present and future are drones and missiles, but critical parts of the supply chain to make those weapons are in China. We lost our capacity to mass-produce artillery shells-- 19th and 20th Century technology -- and it turns out that Ukraine needs those. 

Insofar as America reduces the likelihood of war by being strong and self-sufficient in our ability to provision our military -- and therefore too strong to be tested -- then there is national purpose in our rebuilding our defense-oriented manufacturing.
The war in Ukraine showed us that we have lost our ability to fight a protracted ground war. 

Our aid to Ukraine is self-defense. It goes beyond raising the cost to Russia for invading a neighbor, although it is surely that. It is also a matter of America rebuilding its onshore capacity to provision our military.

War may be good for nothing. But it is worse to fight one and lose because China won't sell us the drone parts we need.




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14 comments:


  1. Aid to Ukraine is all well and good. What I can't understand is why we are aiding Israel's destruction of Gaza. It isn't exactly a poor, developing nation that needs our assistance.

    In less than seven months, Israel has killed over 34,000 Palestinians living in Gaza. Some might even have been Hamas, but most were women and children. Over 77,000 have been wounded and thanks to the widespread destruction, there are only 12 partially functioning hospitals left to deal with the carnage. Meanwhile, those they haven't killed are being deprived of food, water, medicine, shelter and power. Infants have starved to death.

    Your tax dollars at work.

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  2. In a declared war with Hamas lead Palestine, Israel launched an all-out attack on Gaza. Israel’s October 7th more aligns with Pearl Harbor in my mind. The US launched an all-out war on Japan and assisted Europe, already at war with Nazi -lead Germany and Italy, until Congress declared war on Germany in response to Germany’s war declaration against us. The horrors of deaths to entire cities in Japan and Germany make Israel’s attack on Gaza seem appropriate and necessary to bring about the total and unconditional surrender of the warring Palestine’s and their Hama’s leaders. Israel will know no peace until Hamas surrenders; and, Europe, will know now security until Russia withdraws from Ukraine.

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  3. War, huh, yeah
    What is it good for?
    Absolutely nothing


    War was pretty good for defeating the Nazis and the Japanese, two of the most murderous and evil regimes the world has ever seen.

    War is a tool, and like any tool it works well when it is applied appropriately.

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  4. The casualty figures from Gaza quoted by Mike come directly from Hamas and are propaganda from a terrorist organization.

    At this point, no one knows the true casualty figures, and no one knows how many of the casualties were Hamas fighters, and therefore legitimate targets in the war that Hamas started.

    Let’s remember that when a missile seemed to have hit a hospital in Gaza, Hamas immediately claimed that there were 500 casualties and it was an Israeli airstrike. This claim by Hamas was widely reported by the gullible and biased mainstream media. Pretty soon thereafter, it turned out that the missile was a defective one fired by Islamic Jihad, it hit a parking lot near the hospital, and the number 500 was fictitious and wildly overstated.

    No one should be relying on numbers from Hamas.

    As John said, Oct 7 was the equivalent of Pearl Harbor. But it was proportionally worse given the relative sizes of Israel and the United States. Nevertheless, Israel is taking much more care to avoid harming civilians than United States did in World War II. The United States used nukes as soon as they became available. Israel has nukes, but has not used them and is not going to.

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  5. Wiping out entire cities may have helped defeat Germany and Japan, but not the evil that characterized their regimes. That never went away. In fact, it remains well represented by leaders Trump fell in love with, such as Putin and Kim Jong Un, and it's becoming a dominant force in the U.S. We have met the enemy, and he is us.

    Come you masters of war
    You that build the big guns
    You that build the death planes
    You that build all the bombs
    You that hide behind walls
    You that hide behind desks
    I just want you to know
    I can see through your masks
    ---Bob Dylan

    PS: “In December, the medical journal The Lancet, published two critiques of the death surveillance process done by extremely experienced scholars at Johns Hopkins and The London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. Both concluded that the Gazan numbers were plausible and credible, albeit by somewhat different techniques and logic.”
    https://time.com/6909636/gaza-death-toll/

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  6. It appears that the differing opinions on the Israelis complete destruction of Gaza are interactive as the differences between Trump's Cultists and those if against Sedition and Treason.

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  7. What can war be good for? Reasonable self-defense against aggression, and the defense of others from same.

    Hamas and its various apologists assert this very justification for October 7, however unreasonably in that case.

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  8. RE: Israel and Business

    Few realize that both Intel and Apple have big operations in Israel. Development teams for both, and manufacturing operations for Israel.

    Perhaps those protesters and complainers should stop using their smartphones, tablets and computers that are dependent on Israeli technology.

    Dec 20, 2011 — Apple reportedly acquired the Israeli flash memory design firm Anobit in a deal that cost the company $500 million dollars.

    2013 - Apple acquired Prime Sense, 3D sensor company acquired in 2013 for around $345 million.

    Johny Srouji is an Arab Israeli executive, currently Apple's senior vice president of Hardware Technologies, and his team is responsible for designing their processors. They are manufactured by TSMC in Taiwan.

    Apple also has chip design centers in Herzliya and Haifa, and is reportedly planning to open a new R&D center in Jerusalem to design future Mac processors.

    Intel has had a development center near Haifa for quite awhile, since the 8087 came to market in 1980. This was their first dedicated coprocessor for math calculations. The Israeli team are responsible for many of the microprocessor I/O chips.

    During my time working on R&D projects at LaCie, I worked with Israeli engineers developing technology at both Apple and Intel. Intel acquired many of the products I help develop at Tektronix during the '80s.

    That is a small segment to look at. We are helping Israel because the modern world is quite dependent for many Israeli efforts.

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  9. For those who are interested, here is a statistical analysis that demonstrates just how fake the casualty numbers from the Hamas Ministry of Health/Propaganda are:

    How the Gaza Ministry of Health Fakes Casualty Numbers
    The evidence is in their own poorly fabricated figures

    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/how-gaza-health-ministry-fakes-casualty-numbers

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  10. Bob Dylan wrote Masters of War when he was young and presumably naïve and idealistic, as young people tend to be.

    Later in life, when Dylan was older and presumably wiser, he wrote Things Have Changed:

    People are crazy and times are strange
    I'm locked in tight, I'm out of range
    I used to care, but things have changed.

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  11. We are helping Israel because the modern world is quite dependent for many Israeli efforts.

    This includes sophisticated and unique Israeli weapons systems like Trophy, which can defend tanks from incoming antitank missiles.

    https://youtu.be/gmvx430HJlo?si=923tID_NSjMNcfqs

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  12. The Tablet magazine Michael T. refers us to is a conservative online magazine focused on Jewish news and culture – not exactly non-partisan. The Johns Hopkins report on the casualty figures is far more likely to be objective and accurate.

    What Hamas perpetrated against Israel on Oct. 7 was heinous and as we can see by the death toll alone, Israel's response is about 30 times worse (and counting). Partisans on both sides make lame excuses for their barbarity, but it doesn't change the fact that decades of killing each other hasn't stopped the cycle of violence. If they want different results, it's time they try something else.

    “I used to care, but things have changed.” That isn't wisdom, it's apathy.

    And I dreamed I saw the bomber jet planes
    Riding shotgun in the sky
    Turning into butterflies
    Above our nation
    We are stardust, we are golden
    We are caught in the devil's bargain
    And we've got to get ourselves
    Back to the garden
    ---Joni Mitchell

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    1. MT presents propaganda as news? Not the first time.

      I'm in the "who cares" camp about these religious-based wars.

      And, yes, wars have always been about protecting corporate interests.

      It's disgusting that SCOTUS says corporations are people yet corporations benefit from wars that kill people.

      This is our government.

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  13. What broke the longstanding ceasefire on October 7—mass murder, rape, torture and kidnap of noncombatants via sneak attack—was many, many times more heinous than the military response specifically designed to prevent any recurrence.

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